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Somehow I feel like this is a decent time to bring up Chesterton's fence again https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/ https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/
by sdeframond 5y ago
Somehow I feel like this is a decent time to bring up Chesterton's fence again https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/ https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/
- waihtis 5y agoLike I mentioned elsewhere, this offensive holds no rational grounds even if you try hard to see it through a Russian lens - this is why they keep inventing new reasons of invasion on the fly (e.g. the biolab stuff, etc.) So still clinging to the thought that Putin has some kind of grand plan behind him is wishful thinking at best
- beebeepka 5y agoIt looks very rational to me. I say that as someone who lives across the Black sea and have suffered under their rule and feels for the Ukrainians. Placing weapons next door to any powerful entity is recipe for conflict. It sounds like you're repeating the same talking points over and over. Russia felt threatened and attacked. What did the US do to Cuba when the Soviets put weapons there? Oh, that's right. Eternal embargo. No war because they couldn't risk it at the time. How can you feel so rightous is beyond me
- brandmeyer 5y agoYour history is wrong. The sanctions against Cuba were all well in place before Cuban missile crisis began.
- beebeepka 5y agoHaven't been lifted because... completely unrelated reasons? Is that it?
- brandmeyer 5y agoHaven't been lifted because the same regime which justified the actions in the first place is still in power doing the same things. Foreign military weapons installations didn't have anything to do with it then, and doesn't have anything to do with it now.
- waihtis 5y ago> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position
- beebeepka 5y agoI don't control the media that surrounds you. Cannot change your opinion
- waihtis 5y agoI haven't consumed any mainstream media for the past 5 years. Believe it or not I sympathize with the generic Russian citizen's autonomy and interest for retaining their own identity and culture. It's a tremendous shame all this has happened. As a Finn, we could have a great country right next to our border with something completely culturally unique and different from your average European country, which more and more meld culturally into a generic Euro-American amalgamation, indistiguishable from each other. Instead it's turned into a nightmare dictatorship which has now ruined everything above and more importantly has potential life-threatening consequences to me personally and my country. There is nothing here but sorrow for everyone involved.
- beebeepka 5y agoYou are just venting. Keep I mind I haven't said Russia is great to its people and neighbours. I am of the opinion that it's not all their fault and there are other bad actors. Worse even.
- waihtis 5y agoYou Russian troll factories need a new tactic; this ”no but USA” trope is exceedingly obvious and tired
- sdeframond 5y agoYou may find this article interesting https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mearsheimer-on-why-the-west-is-principally-responsible-for-the-ukrainian-crisis https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mear...
- sdeframond 5y agoI've read about the Russians making up new reasons on the fly as well, however I don't know how much this is true. The western medias read so much like propaganda these days that I feel like I cannot take their work for it. Do you read the news from russian medias directly? (I can't)
- waihtis 5y agoYes I do because I agree to a point with western media bias - all of the biolab and other things are being pushed in these channels too.