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> "If people knew how to push back and started doing so, we could make this kind of endless spam unaffordable for the people who do it," Graham told Doost. "The

> "If people knew how to push back and started doing so, we could make this kind of endless spam unaffordable for the people who do it," Graham told Doost. "The hope is that there's enough of us who stand up, start pushing back, that it becomes more expensive for companies to negligently hire these telemarketers and participate in these telemarketing practices." Is there a tutorial with templates for suing robocalls?

walterbell 5y ago
There was a parking ticket chatbot which expanded into other template-driven legal interactions, https://donotpay.com/ https://donotpay.com/. Looks like they have workflows for robocalls, including a honeypot virtual credit card number, https://donotpay.com/learn/robocalls-cash/ https://donotpay.com/learn/robocalls-cash/ & https://donotpay.com/learn/robocall-revenge/ https://donotpay.com/learn/robocall-revenge/ It's not obvious from their website if they still offer free services, maybe we need OSS templates that can be improved over time. There's an OSS framework for generating legal documents from a template and interactive interview. https://docassemble.org https://docassemble.org & https://github.com/jhpyle/docassemble https://github.com/jhpyle/docassemble
e40 5y ago
I'd like to know this, too. They spoof caller id. When you try to ask them about anything that could be used against them, they hang up. I'd seriously like to know how he did this.
radford-neal 5y ago
Or one could just change the phone system so if you press "5" during a call, the caller gets charged 25 cents (going either to you, the phone company, or charity, it matters little). Phone spam would stop instantly. It would require some technical changes, but nothing impossible.
- mhzsh 5y ago
  Then phone spam would be replaced by fraud, similar to what already happens with premium number fraud: https://www.twilio.com/learn/voice-and-video/toll-fraud https://www.twilio.com/learn/voice-and-video/toll-fraud A bot tricks a voice service to call them, then rakes in fees.
  - radford-neal 5y ago
    To be vulnerable to the 25 cent charge, you have to make a phone call. Why is anyone setting up a bot to make huge number of phone calls? The phone system is meant for people to make phone calls to other people.
    - mhzsh 5y ago
      For types of 2FA, sadly. AWS also does it to verify your phone number when you create an account.
      - radford-neal 5y ago
        So the worry is that some fraudster would set up numerous AWS accounts with a number for 2FA which AWS would call, and then they'd ding them for the 25 cent charge? If actually a problem, having the charge go to charity rather than the recipient would eliminate any monetary incentive. I suppose one is left with someone who has a grudge against AWS trying to bankrupt them 25 cents at a time...
liveoneggs 5y ago
2600 magazine published a how-to but as telemarketers started to switch numbers every call afterwards so it's more difficult to sue.

walterbell 5y ago

There was a parking ticket chatbot which expanded into other template-driven legal interactions, https://donotpay.com/ https://donotpay.com/. Looks like they have workflows for robocalls, including a honeypot virtual credit card number, https://donotpay.com/learn/robocalls-cash/ https://donotpay.com/learn/robocalls-cash/ & https://donotpay.com/learn/robocall-revenge/ https://donotpay.com/learn/robocall-revenge/ It's not obvious from their website if they still offer free services, maybe we need OSS templates that can be improved over time. There's an OSS framework for generating legal documents from a template and interactive interview. https://docassemble.org https://docassemble.org & https://github.com/jhpyle/docassemble https://github.com/jhpyle/docassemble

e40 5y ago

I'd like to know this, too. They spoof caller id. When you try to ask them about anything that could be used against them, they hang up. I'd seriously like to know how he did this.

radford-neal 5y ago

Or one could just change the phone system so if you press "5" during a call, the caller gets charged 25 cents (going either to you, the phone company, or charity, it matters little). Phone spam would stop instantly. It would require some technical changes, but nothing impossible.

mhzsh 5y ago
Then phone spam would be replaced by fraud, similar to what already happens with premium number fraud: https://www.twilio.com/learn/voice-and-video/toll-fraud https://www.twilio.com/learn/voice-and-video/toll-fraud A bot tricks a voice service to call them, then rakes in fees.
- radford-neal 5y ago
  To be vulnerable to the 25 cent charge, you have to make a phone call. Why is anyone setting up a bot to make huge number of phone calls? The phone system is meant for people to make phone calls to other people.
  - mhzsh 5y ago
    For types of 2FA, sadly. AWS also does it to verify your phone number when you create an account.
    - radford-neal 5y ago
      So the worry is that some fraudster would set up numerous AWS accounts with a number for 2FA which AWS would call, and then they'd ding them for the 25 cent charge? If actually a problem, having the charge go to charity rather than the recipient would eliminate any monetary incentive. I suppose one is left with someone who has a grudge against AWS trying to bankrupt them 25 cents at a time...

liveoneggs 5y ago

2600 magazine published a how-to but as telemarketers started to switch numbers every call afterwards so it's more difficult to sue.