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This is just great. Here's an even better article in german about the whole story (from the german pirates) http://piratig.de/2011/09/30/kaudergate-2ndstrike-se

This is just great. Here's an even better article in german about the whole story (from the german pirates) http://piratig.de/2011/09/30/kaudergate-2ndstrike-sehr-geehrter-herr-kauder/ http://piratig.de/2011/09/30/kaudergate-2ndstrike-sehr-geehr.... Lucky for Kauder, as a politician he's immune to law, but its nevertheless absolutely embarrassing.

delinka 15y ago
Lawmakers that are above the law will always be a problem. Edit: I do not mean that such will always exist, though I guess that's an interesting debate in its own right.
- nextparadigms 15y ago
  I agree. Is there a strong argument in favor of politicians having immunity, other than the fact that they had the power to make that law for themselves?
  - herge 15y ago
    If a politician does not have political immunity, he can be arrested on trumped up charges by the party in power.
    - pyre 15y ago
      At least in some cases, it would be better of politicians had to 'eat their own dog food.'
    - delinka 15y ago
      That's not a good enough reason for immunity from the law. While we're playing "maybe/possibly/couldhappen," certainly the media would be watching something like that closely enough that the truth shouldn't be difficult to find.
  - eru 15y ago
    Yes, there is. There are also not completely above the law, but subject to the parliaments procedures (or so). The argument is the separation of powers: the judges shouldn't be able to interfere with the lawmakers. You are free to find that argument convincing or not.
- boredguy8 15y ago
  > Lawmakers that are above the law will always be a problem. Much like sysadmins who make policy exceptions for their non-admin accounts!
  - jodrellblank 15y ago
    That would be more like police skipping laws they disagree with. Managers/CEOs dictating a 4 email per inbox policy and then getting it removed for them only when it causes them an inconvenience would be more like the above story.
esrauch 15y ago
To be clear, the policy in question that he has been pushing for is not a law, and it looks like it was pretty unlikely that it was ever going to become law. He isn't receiving special treatment by the authorities in this case; currently no one would have their page aggressively taken down for this.
trusche 15y ago
In Germany, politicians are not "immune to" or otherwise above the law. Parliamentarians (which this gentleman is one of) have limited immunity, as in most democracies, to protect them from arbitrary acts by the executive branch. IANAL, so I'd be curious if this kind of copyright infringement could be acted upon.
keeperofdakeys 15y ago
In most jurisdictions (I'm not sure about Germany) Parliamentary Immunity is not immunity from the law. Parliamentary Immunity is immunity from prosecution for things politicians say on the floor of parliament. So a politician can be arrested for breaking the law in most situations.

delinka 15y ago

Lawmakers that are above the law will always be a problem. Edit: I do not mean that such will always exist, though I guess that's an interesting debate in its own right.

nextparadigms 15y ago
I agree. Is there a strong argument in favor of politicians having immunity, other than the fact that they had the power to make that law for themselves?
- herge 15y ago
  If a politician does not have political immunity, he can be arrested on trumped up charges by the party in power.
  - pyre 15y ago
    At least in some cases, it would be better of politicians had to 'eat their own dog food.'
  - delinka 15y ago
    That's not a good enough reason for immunity from the law. While we're playing "maybe/possibly/couldhappen," certainly the media would be watching something like that closely enough that the truth shouldn't be difficult to find.
- eru 15y ago
  Yes, there is. There are also not completely above the law, but subject to the parliaments procedures (or so). The argument is the separation of powers: the judges shouldn't be able to interfere with the lawmakers. You are free to find that argument convincing or not.
boredguy8 15y ago
> Lawmakers that are above the law will always be a problem. Much like sysadmins who make policy exceptions for their non-admin accounts!
- jodrellblank 15y ago
  That would be more like police skipping laws they disagree with. Managers/CEOs dictating a 4 email per inbox policy and then getting it removed for them only when it causes them an inconvenience would be more like the above story.

esrauch 15y ago

To be clear, the policy in question that he has been pushing for is not a law, and it looks like it was pretty unlikely that it was ever going to become law. He isn't receiving special treatment by the authorities in this case; currently no one would have their page aggressively taken down for this.

trusche 15y ago

In Germany, politicians are not "immune to" or otherwise above the law. Parliamentarians (which this gentleman is one of) have limited immunity, as in most democracies, to protect them from arbitrary acts by the executive branch. IANAL, so I'd be curious if this kind of copyright infringement could be acted upon.

keeperofdakeys 15y ago

In most jurisdictions (I'm not sure about Germany) Parliamentary Immunity is not immunity from the law. Parliamentary Immunity is immunity from prosecution for things politicians say on the floor of parliament. So a politician can be arrested for breaking the law in most situations.