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"once they realize Omicron isn’t that serious in vaccinated individuals" Afaik Sinovac is pretty much useless against Omicron.

dragonsh 5y ago
- maxerickson 5y ago
  The 3rd shot of the mRNA vaccine clearly does reduce infection from Omicron somewhat (I would call it more than useless for that effect, you can call it whatever you want). They also are still very effective at preventing severe disease (against Omicron). This is the opposite of useless.
  - sundvor 5y ago
    Can confirm triple Pfeizer rendered what I assume was Omicron to something relatively mild for this non drinking, normal BMI near 50s male. Getting Covid still made me feel rather rubbish for a few days. Kudos and my personal thanks to the vaccine developers.
    - cersa8 5y ago
      For almost everyone, vaccinated or not, Omicron is a minor nuisance. Somehow everyone seems to claim they have minor symptoms because they got vaccinated. This is human psychology 101 as it validates your decision for getting vaccinated.
      - maxerickson 5y ago
        "Almost everyone" always does a lot of work in statements like that. It's bizarre to call out the "decision to get vaccinated", as if it is something people should be uncomfortable with, having spent a bit of time getting a vaccine that is clearly safer than the illness it protects against.
        sundvor 5y ago
        Yeah, a complete no brainer for me to get myself and my family vaccinated. Of course I can't A-B test my own ability to cope with Covid with zero vaccinations and triple boosted, so the points of the person who replied to me strike me as just silly. I experienced them with triple shots, and was happy if that might have reduced my exposing time somewhat if applicable. There definitely was a grey area of time between kind of noticing something akin to symptoms, and using one of the precious RAT tests. Most of that time spent using a mask around people, just because default. I also donate blood, so maybe that's a character trait. Empathy, I mean.
      - sundvor 5y ago
        https://www.theage.com.au/national/people-are-still-dying-from-covid-but-who-and-are-they-vaccinated-20220314-p5a4d6.html https://www.theage.com.au/national/people-are-still-dying-fr...
- PedroBatista 5y ago
  Those vaccines are not useless in protecting individuals against severe outcomes ( hospitalizations and death ), I don’t know about Sinovac.
- 1_player 5y ago
  Do we need to have a vaccine contrarian every damn thread posted on this forum and anywhere else on the Internet? We as a society have been over this for 2 years, and every time it's the same ignorant arguments that keep being debunked, and like clockwork every time there's someone ready to voice their pet opinion about the pandemic that goes against any research and common sense. It's like the hellish version of xkcd's lucky 10,000. I guess it was your turn today.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    Yes, we do, because the contrarians are correct, again. Just like they were in 2020 when everyone arguing that lockdowns weren't working were getting downvoted to hell and yelled at for "disinformation", just like when they pointed out that the models were based on stupid assumptions and that mask mandates weren't having any observable effect. The vaccines are useless against Omicron. They don't stop people getting it. They appear to make no difference to severity (it was 25% vaxxed South Africa that pointed out everyone getting it had mild symptoms). That is a stone cold fact. Indeed it appears to actually be the opposite - the UK, one of the only countries that publishes actual case rate data (instead of TNCC positivity ratio comparisons), shows that people who are vaccinated get Omicron at a much higher rate than those who aren't. The cause is probably an immune priming/training effect. That data is real though, it's not something you can make disappear by throwing a hissy fit when someone points it out.
  - dragonsh 5y ago
    > a vaccine contrarian My response was related to above post regarding Sinovac given Pfizer and Moderna are similar against Omicron. Not a vaccine contrarian just one of the person who got infected after booster shot, will take a vaccine again but science has one trait which is self correction and overwhelming data shows that Omicron is mild whether vaccinated or not vaccinated. So its better to do a clinical trials and studies not funded by Pharma industry or interest groups, objectively to determine if Omicron played a pivotal role and not vaccine in reducing Covid-19 fatality globally.

dragonsh 5y ago

maxerickson 5y ago
The 3rd shot of the mRNA vaccine clearly does reduce infection from Omicron somewhat (I would call it more than useless for that effect, you can call it whatever you want). They also are still very effective at preventing severe disease (against Omicron). This is the opposite of useless.
- sundvor 5y ago
  Can confirm triple Pfeizer rendered what I assume was Omicron to something relatively mild for this non drinking, normal BMI near 50s male. Getting Covid still made me feel rather rubbish for a few days. Kudos and my personal thanks to the vaccine developers.
  - cersa8 5y ago
    For almost everyone, vaccinated or not, Omicron is a minor nuisance. Somehow everyone seems to claim they have minor symptoms because they got vaccinated. This is human psychology 101 as it validates your decision for getting vaccinated.
    - maxerickson 5y ago
      "Almost everyone" always does a lot of work in statements like that. It's bizarre to call out the "decision to get vaccinated", as if it is something people should be uncomfortable with, having spent a bit of time getting a vaccine that is clearly safer than the illness it protects against.
      - sundvor 5y ago
        Yeah, a complete no brainer for me to get myself and my family vaccinated. Of course I can't A-B test my own ability to cope with Covid with zero vaccinations and triple boosted, so the points of the person who replied to me strike me as just silly. I experienced them with triple shots, and was happy if that might have reduced my exposing time somewhat if applicable. There definitely was a grey area of time between kind of noticing something akin to symptoms, and using one of the precious RAT tests. Most of that time spent using a mask around people, just because default. I also donate blood, so maybe that's a character trait. Empathy, I mean.
    - sundvor 5y ago
      https://www.theage.com.au/national/people-are-still-dying-from-covid-but-who-and-are-they-vaccinated-20220314-p5a4d6.html https://www.theage.com.au/national/people-are-still-dying-fr...
PedroBatista 5y ago
Those vaccines are not useless in protecting individuals against severe outcomes ( hospitalizations and death ), I don’t know about Sinovac.
1_player 5y ago
Do we need to have a vaccine contrarian every damn thread posted on this forum and anywhere else on the Internet? We as a society have been over this for 2 years, and every time it's the same ignorant arguments that keep being debunked, and like clockwork every time there's someone ready to voice their pet opinion about the pandemic that goes against any research and common sense. It's like the hellish version of xkcd's lucky 10,000. I guess it was your turn today.
- native_samples 5y ago
  Yes, we do, because the contrarians are correct, again. Just like they were in 2020 when everyone arguing that lockdowns weren't working were getting downvoted to hell and yelled at for "disinformation", just like when they pointed out that the models were based on stupid assumptions and that mask mandates weren't having any observable effect. The vaccines are useless against Omicron. They don't stop people getting it. They appear to make no difference to severity (it was 25% vaxxed South Africa that pointed out everyone getting it had mild symptoms). That is a stone cold fact. Indeed it appears to actually be the opposite - the UK, one of the only countries that publishes actual case rate data (instead of TNCC positivity ratio comparisons), shows that people who are vaccinated get Omicron at a much higher rate than those who aren't. The cause is probably an immune priming/training effect. That data is real though, it's not something you can make disappear by throwing a hissy fit when someone points it out.
- dragonsh 5y ago
  > a vaccine contrarian My response was related to above post regarding Sinovac given Pfizer and Moderna are similar against Omicron. Not a vaccine contrarian just one of the person who got infected after booster shot, will take a vaccine again but science has one trait which is self correction and overwhelming data shows that Omicron is mild whether vaccinated or not vaccinated. So its better to do a clinical trials and studies not funded by Pharma industry or interest groups, objectively to determine if Omicron played a pivotal role and not vaccine in reducing Covid-19 fatality globally.