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That's not very fun. You're supposed to tell me a convincing story about why the lockdown is happening. Someone quickly replied to me about how the present lock

That's not very fun. You're supposed to tell me a convincing story about why the lockdown is happening. Someone quickly replied to me about how the present lockdown is specifically intended to cause inflation in the U.S. Unfortunately they were too embarrassed or didn't want to face the next logical question (because conspiracy theories are never finished), so they quickly deleted the comment. But at least they tried instead of gesturing vaguely to the CCP and letting ideological obviousnesses do the heavy lifting.

throwaway290 5y ago
Maybe the virus spilled into population centers too close to party leadership. Maybe it indeed got to the point where it is difficult to hide. I don't know. My point is that it's on you (and WHO) to explain trusting data supplied by a country with a long history of supplying false data (in other words, believe a known liar).
- interpenetrate 5y ago
  - throwaway290 5y ago
    I don't work for CCP so I don't know why they do stuff, but the fact that they routinely provide false information is very extensively documented. Come back when you think of an excuse to trust their data without verification.
    - interpenetrate 5y ago
      Where's the science? How do you propose we verify anything? Your implication is that one (anyone?) must "work for CCP" to be able to evaluate truth. So then, where is the CCP worker who gave you the framework you're depending on, that can confirm this conspiracy of "false information?" But wait, how can we trust this hypothetical CCP defector? It's a paradox, we can't!
      - throwaway290 5y ago
        I do not know nor care why lockdown happens. My point is there is no reason we should trust the COVID case/death data they were advertising in the past years.
        interpenetrate 5y ago
        throwaway290 5y ago
        This is not about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by the US govt, this is about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by CCP. Although it does not strike me as a bad analogy. The US government thought there were WMDs, but there were none in reality (wrong data, whoops). CCP thought there was no COVID in China, but there was in reality (wrong data, whoops).
        interpenetrate 5y ago
    - long_time_gone 5y ago
      > Come back when you think of an excuse to trust their data without verification. Your entire premise is based on a straw man. Nobody is blindly accepting China’s data as gospel, they are saying that it’s the only data we have. You have presented nothing but innuendo.

throwaway290 5y ago

Maybe the virus spilled into population centers too close to party leadership. Maybe it indeed got to the point where it is difficult to hide. I don't know. My point is that it's on you (and WHO) to explain trusting data supplied by a country with a long history of supplying false data (in other words, believe a known liar).

interpenetrate 5y ago
- throwaway290 5y ago
  I don't work for CCP so I don't know why they do stuff, but the fact that they routinely provide false information is very extensively documented. Come back when you think of an excuse to trust their data without verification.
  - interpenetrate 5y ago
    Where's the science? How do you propose we verify anything? Your implication is that one (anyone?) must "work for CCP" to be able to evaluate truth. So then, where is the CCP worker who gave you the framework you're depending on, that can confirm this conspiracy of "false information?" But wait, how can we trust this hypothetical CCP defector? It's a paradox, we can't!
    - throwaway290 5y ago
      I do not know nor care why lockdown happens. My point is there is no reason we should trust the COVID case/death data they were advertising in the past years.
      - interpenetrate 5y ago
        throwaway290 5y ago
        This is not about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by the US govt, this is about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by CCP. Although it does not strike me as a bad analogy. The US government thought there were WMDs, but there were none in reality (wrong data, whoops). CCP thought there was no COVID in China, but there was in reality (wrong data, whoops).
        interpenetrate 5y ago
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    > Come back when you think of an excuse to trust their data without verification. Your entire premise is based on a straw man. Nobody is blindly accepting China’s data as gospel, they are saying that it’s the only data we have. You have presented nothing but innuendo.