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John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the Ukrainian
- scrollaway 5y agoBad political decisions from the west do not excuse bloodshed, warmongering, or genocidal intent. This is Putin's war. Ukrainian and Russian deaths are his responsibility.
- WalterGR 5y agoYesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30647783 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30647783 Submitted at least 10 times, some with more discussion than yesterday: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=West%20Ukraine%20&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- celticninja 5y agoThis guy is such as ass. Principal responsibility lies with Putin. These sorts of apologists make me sick, what does he think he will achieve? Does he think more appeasement is the answer? Just give in every time to avoid conflict? He should be sent to live in occupied Ukraine and then he can write these articles and perhaps understand why people fight him.
- NoPie 5y agoClearly this is a targeted pro-Russia propaganda.
- yodsanklai 5y agoNote that his view is far from marginal. Lots of experts share the the same analysis. Including Chomsky, or ex US ambassador to USSR [1] [1] https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/17/jack_matlock_ukraine_russia_nato_us https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/17/jack_matlock_ukraine_... This is also quite consistent with Putin's revendications over time. It's a sensitive topic but to me Mearsheimer's explanation makes more sense than "Putin got crazy overnight and want to rule Europe", like we often hear in the medias.
- coldtea 5y agoWell, Chomsky could be dismissed as a "partisan" (activist, etc.). But Mearsheimer and other such experts are anything but. They just belong to the realist school, as in "no BS ideological sugarcoating international relations, saying like it is". Kissinger, for one, has written similar things. Putin might still have gotten it wrong (eg. miscalculating the success, etc), and he's war could fuck not just Ukraine, but also Russia considerably, but that's different to a "crazy unprovoked and without long term national interests in mind war".
- readonthegoapp 5y agoCurious who Chomsky is partisan for.
- jacquesm 5y ago"The medias"? -> it doesn't really matter how often this gets posted and how many people warned that this war was coming: in the end it is on those that invaded, not on the defenders and not on the rest of the world. "Look at what you made me do" is a bullshit excuse, you have agency.
- yodsanklai 5y agoI'd argue it's useful to try to understand Putin's motivations if we want to stop this war ASAP. It's not about looking for excuses.
- jacquesm 5y agoSick and tired of John Mearsheimer, Chomsky and others being trotted out as parade horses in the Putin aplogist ranks. Putin and Putin's henchmen are responsible for attacking Ukraine. The 'look at what you made me do' excuse is getting quite tired. Also, it seems that HN is recognized as some kind of high value target, the amount of single issue accounts is off the scale since this war broke out. https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=bardc https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=bardc