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And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers wi

by imiric 5y ago

And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

atian 5y ago
You can try entering Beijing from the outside and see how difficult it is.
interpenetrate 5y ago
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- throwaway290 5y ago
  Is Uyghur incarceration also a conspiracy theory, or does CCP lie about that but never about COVID? Lockdown now is not exclusive with false case and death numbers.
  - interpenetrate 5y ago
    That's not very fun. You're supposed to tell me a convincing story about why the lockdown is happening. Someone quickly replied to me about how the present lockdown is specifically intended to cause inflation in the U.S. Unfortunately they were too embarrassed or didn't want to face the next logical question (because conspiracy theories are never finished), so they quickly deleted the comment. But at least they tried instead of gesturing vaguely to the CCP and letting ideological obviousnesses do the heavy lifting.
    - throwaway290 5y ago
      Maybe the virus spilled into population centers too close to party leadership. Maybe it indeed got to the point where it is difficult to hide. I don't know. My point is that it's on you (and WHO) to explain trusting data supplied by a country with a long history of supplying false data (in other words, believe a known liar).
      - interpenetrate 5y ago
        throwaway290 5y ago
        I don't work for CCP so I don't know why they do stuff, but the fact that they routinely provide false information is very extensively documented. Come back when you think of an excuse to trust their data without verification.
        interpenetrate 5y ago
        Where's the science? How do you propose we verify anything? Your implication is that one (anyone?) must "work for CCP" to be able to evaluate truth. So then, where is the CCP worker who gave you the framework you're depending on, that can confirm this conspiracy of "false information?" But wait, how can we trust this hypothetical CCP defector? It's a paradox, we can't!
        throwaway290 5y ago
        I do not know nor care why lockdown happens. My point is there is no reason we should trust the COVID case/death data they were advertising in the past years.
        interpenetrate 5y ago
        throwaway290 5y ago
        This is not about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by the US govt, this is about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by CCP. Although it does not strike me as a bad analogy. The US government thought there were WMDs, but there were none in reality (wrong data, whoops). CCP thought there was no COVID in China, but there was in reality (wrong data, whoops).
Maken 5y ago
The WHO can only report what the health authorities of each country report to them.
stefap2 5y ago
“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”
limoce 5y ago
I found two interesting points after comparing numbers from WTO and China CDC (https://2019ncov.chinacdc.cn/2019-nCoV/ https://2019ncov.chinacdc.cn/2019-nCoV/): 1. The death toll is the same, but the number of confirmed cases reported by China CDC is much smaller than WTO (380k vs 710k). I guess people caught covid with no symptoms are excluded by China CDC. 2. After subtracting death toll in Hong Kong and Taiwan, there're only 4.6k deaths in China mainland since 2020.
- user_named 5y ago
  I don't know about the data in that link, but China is tracking cases without symptoms, and publish those numbers each day
tharne 5y ago
> How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me. I think the WHO understands that they've already lost any credibility they once had and have strategically pivoted to being more of a political organization.
goldname 5y ago
How you are able to have such cognitive dissonance in believing that China is an authoritarian government that locks down entire buildings because someone tested positive for a mutation of a cold virus but also not believe they have had few covid cases is beyond me.
- TheBigSalad 5y ago
  They also have a ridiculously huge and dense urban population.
  - goldname 5y ago
    And everybody wears masks. Everybody wore masks even before the pandemic due to the pollution.

by imiric 5y ago

And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

atian 5y ago

You can try entering Beijing from the outside and see how difficult it is.

interpenetrate 5y ago

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throwaway290 5y ago
Is Uyghur incarceration also a conspiracy theory, or does CCP lie about that but never about COVID? Lockdown now is not exclusive with false case and death numbers.
- interpenetrate 5y ago
  That's not very fun. You're supposed to tell me a convincing story about why the lockdown is happening. Someone quickly replied to me about how the present lockdown is specifically intended to cause inflation in the U.S. Unfortunately they were too embarrassed or didn't want to face the next logical question (because conspiracy theories are never finished), so they quickly deleted the comment. But at least they tried instead of gesturing vaguely to the CCP and letting ideological obviousnesses do the heavy lifting.
  - throwaway290 5y ago
    Maybe the virus spilled into population centers too close to party leadership. Maybe it indeed got to the point where it is difficult to hide. I don't know. My point is that it's on you (and WHO) to explain trusting data supplied by a country with a long history of supplying false data (in other words, believe a known liar).
    - interpenetrate 5y ago
      - throwaway290 5y ago
        I don't work for CCP so I don't know why they do stuff, but the fact that they routinely provide false information is very extensively documented. Come back when you think of an excuse to trust their data without verification.
        interpenetrate 5y ago
        Where's the science? How do you propose we verify anything? Your implication is that one (anyone?) must "work for CCP" to be able to evaluate truth. So then, where is the CCP worker who gave you the framework you're depending on, that can confirm this conspiracy of "false information?" But wait, how can we trust this hypothetical CCP defector? It's a paradox, we can't!
        throwaway290 5y ago
        I do not know nor care why lockdown happens. My point is there is no reason we should trust the COVID case/death data they were advertising in the past years.
        interpenetrate 5y ago
        throwaway290 5y ago
        This is not about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by the US govt, this is about whether we should trust COVID case numbers by CCP. Although it does not strike me as a bad analogy. The US government thought there were WMDs, but there were none in reality (wrong data, whoops). CCP thought there was no COVID in China, but there was in reality (wrong data, whoops).

Maken 5y ago

The WHO can only report what the health authorities of each country report to them.

stefap2 5y ago

“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”

limoce 5y ago

I found two interesting points after comparing numbers from WTO and China CDC (https://2019ncov.chinacdc.cn/2019-nCoV/ https://2019ncov.chinacdc.cn/2019-nCoV/): 1. The death toll is the same, but the number of confirmed cases reported by China CDC is much smaller than WTO (380k vs 710k). I guess people caught covid with no symptoms are excluded by China CDC. 2. After subtracting death toll in Hong Kong and Taiwan, there're only 4.6k deaths in China mainland since 2020.

user_named 5y ago
I don't know about the data in that link, but China is tracking cases without symptoms, and publish those numbers each day

tharne 5y ago

> How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me. I think the WHO understands that they've already lost any credibility they once had and have strategically pivoted to being more of a political organization.

goldname 5y ago

How you are able to have such cognitive dissonance in believing that China is an authoritarian government that locks down entire buildings because someone tested positive for a mutation of a cold virus but also not believe they have had few covid cases is beyond me.

TheBigSalad 5y ago
They also have a ridiculously huge and dense urban population.
- goldname 5y ago
  And everybody wears masks. Everybody wore masks even before the pandemic due to the pollution.