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There are many polls evidencing this. Also by personal contacts with Russians.

by NoPie 5y ago

oleg_antonyan 5y ago
Take those polls with a grain of salt: 1) they are all conducted by government or affiliates, independent ones are extinct 2) in danger people tend to stick with the power 3) you can get in trouble for saying anything against the regime, even in polls
- NoPie 5y ago
  Of course, when you have a law that forbids saying it is a war in Ukraine, you have to take everything people say with a grain of salt. But it is still quite unequivocal that most people support Putin even if it is due to their lack of information. Here is more detailed explanation: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-war-in-ukraine-might-change-putins-popularity-among-russians/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-war-in-ukraine-... I am surprised that you find this idea so unbelievable. I have many Russian friends and a lot of them are supporting Putin when talking in person. It is not about them not being able to speak against but very active being pro-Putin.
- zo1 5y ago
  This is such a circular and convenient argument. It's next to impossible to get to any conclusion other than "Russia Bad". All you have to do to trigger this downward spiral/feed-back loop is to start an aura of "illegitimacy" and it's all downhill from there. Next thing you know, polls are "suspect", and "independent inspectors found evidence of". Or there was "intimidation at the polls". Then the government becomes a "dictatorship". Then it's magically no longer a democracy. Then it becomes a "regime" and all their wealthy elite become "oligarchs". Etc etc. The dirty secret and why Russians and anti-west individuals are right is that these properties above magically start disappearing when the "right" people get elected. If it's a democratic election and the "wrong" person wins, then that must mean that the polls were tampered with. You can clearly see it in the drastically different rhetoric coming from the media when Trump won (it was due to Russian interference and hacking and bots and how Trump is now a dictator and how the "Far-Right" took over the whitehouse etc etc). But when Biden won and the other camp screamed election fraud, the narrative changed entirely and it was all about defending the legitimacy of the election.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    It's a very straightforward argument, actually. Did Russia pass laws criminalizing speech that goes against its war propaganda? Yes, verifiably so - you can find it posted prominently on government websites. Are you seriously claiming that a poll taken in such an environment should be considered accurate?

There are many polls evidencing this. Also by personal contacts with Russians.

by NoPie 5y ago

There are many polls evidencing this. Also by personal contacts with Russians.

Take those polls with a grain of salt: 1) they are all conducted by government or affiliates, independent ones are extinct 2) in danger people tend to stick with the power 3) you can get in trouble for saying anything against the regime, even in polls

NoPie 5y ago
Of course, when you have a law that forbids saying it is a war in Ukraine, you have to take everything people say with a grain of salt. But it is still quite unequivocal that most people support Putin even if it is due to their lack of information. Here is more detailed explanation: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-war-in-ukraine-might-change-putins-popularity-among-russians/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-war-in-ukraine-... I am surprised that you find this idea so unbelievable. I have many Russian friends and a lot of them are supporting Putin when talking in person. It is not about them not being able to speak against but very active being pro-Putin.
zo1 5y ago
This is such a circular and convenient argument. It's next to impossible to get to any conclusion other than "Russia Bad". All you have to do to trigger this downward spiral/feed-back loop is to start an aura of "illegitimacy" and it's all downhill from there. Next thing you know, polls are "suspect", and "independent inspectors found evidence of". Or there was "intimidation at the polls". Then the government becomes a "dictatorship". Then it's magically no longer a democracy. Then it becomes a "regime" and all their wealthy elite become "oligarchs". Etc etc. The dirty secret and why Russians and anti-west individuals are right is that these properties above magically start disappearing when the "right" people get elected. If it's a democratic election and the "wrong" person wins, then that must mean that the polls were tampered with. You can clearly see it in the drastically different rhetoric coming from the media when Trump won (it was due to Russian interference and hacking and bots and how Trump is now a dictator and how the "Far-Right" took over the whitehouse etc etc). But when Biden won and the other camp screamed election fraud, the narrative changed entirely and it was all about defending the legitimacy of the election.
- int_19h 5y ago
  It's a very straightforward argument, actually. Did Russia pass laws criminalizing speech that goes against its war propaganda? Yes, verifiably so - you can find it posted prominently on government websites. Are you seriously claiming that a poll taken in such an environment should be considered accurate?