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The sentiment is that "these companies are using our friendly disposition to try and force us do things for them in a pathetic fashion, by throwing a fit".

paganel 5y ago
All that attitude does is that it puts the potential neutrals in Russia on Putin's side, after all the West is the side that has taken Coca Cola and bank credits and Big Macs out of their reach, why should they side with the Russians that approve of those people? at the limit they're traitors. The West will learn about the futility of all this pretty soon, but I doubt they'll change course, it's too late now, it will mean showing that "Putin has won".
- watwut 5y ago
  Who are potential neutral? Why would those be useful to anyone? Russians by large stand by Putin or think Ukraine deserve it. That is with or without sanctions. Sanctions don't have potential to make Russians more passive or less likely to protest, because that society haven't done that for years. Putin cracked down on internal opposition years ago. That included murders of Russians. This is not the first war Russia is in either. And not much opposition was visible whole time.
  - paganel 5y ago
    I suspect not everyone in Russia is either pro-Putin or anti-Putin, as in most other polities, for that matter. That's why I think this premise: > Russians by large stand by Putin or think Ukraine deserve it. That is with or without sanctions. is false, or used to be false before these sanctions were implemented.
    - watwut 5y ago
      The Ukraine was either not mentioned in news or willified as nazi. And not just for few days. That was Russian media before invasion. There was Russian evacuation of Donbas all over Russian news to supposedly protect civilians from Ukrainian nazi. Because Ukrainiane apparently decided to attack Russians exactly as Russian army was amassing at that exact border. No other opinion is even legal now, there is 15 years imprisonment for that and independent media are closed. Russians who have Ukrainien families refuse to believe them even as their are getting pictures of basement living. This premise of support for Putin is what people/journalists stationed in Russia reports. Before they left, because it is not safe anymore. People who reported on Russia for years, including in runup toward this war. Including during previous wars and whose past reporting turned out ok. The war in Ukraine is result of long term process. The opposition, civil rights groups and what not were dismantled or weakened as part of that process.

paganel 5y ago

All that attitude does is that it puts the potential neutrals in Russia on Putin's side, after all the West is the side that has taken Coca Cola and bank credits and Big Macs out of their reach, why should they side with the Russians that approve of those people? at the limit they're traitors. The West will learn about the futility of all this pretty soon, but I doubt they'll change course, it's too late now, it will mean showing that "Putin has won".

watwut 5y ago
Who are potential neutral? Why would those be useful to anyone? Russians by large stand by Putin or think Ukraine deserve it. That is with or without sanctions. Sanctions don't have potential to make Russians more passive or less likely to protest, because that society haven't done that for years. Putin cracked down on internal opposition years ago. That included murders of Russians. This is not the first war Russia is in either. And not much opposition was visible whole time.
- paganel 5y ago
  I suspect not everyone in Russia is either pro-Putin or anti-Putin, as in most other polities, for that matter. That's why I think this premise: > Russians by large stand by Putin or think Ukraine deserve it. That is with or without sanctions. is false, or used to be false before these sanctions were implemented.
  - watwut 5y ago
    The Ukraine was either not mentioned in news or willified as nazi. And not just for few days. That was Russian media before invasion. There was Russian evacuation of Donbas all over Russian news to supposedly protect civilians from Ukrainian nazi. Because Ukrainiane apparently decided to attack Russians exactly as Russian army was amassing at that exact border. No other opinion is even legal now, there is 15 years imprisonment for that and independent media are closed. Russians who have Ukrainien families refuse to believe them even as their are getting pictures of basement living. This premise of support for Putin is what people/journalists stationed in Russia reports. Before they left, because it is not safe anymore. People who reported on Russia for years, including in runup toward this war. Including during previous wars and whose past reporting turned out ok. The war in Ukraine is result of long term process. The opposition, civil rights groups and what not were dismantled or weakened as part of that process.