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God, this. I like induction stoves. Easier to clean, and do 90% of what I need doing in a kitchen. Not having to run gas lines is a plus, and for the other 10%

by donw 5y ago

God, this. I like induction stoves. Easier to clean, and do 90% of what I need doing in a kitchen. Not having to run gas lines is a plus, and for the other 10%, I'm probably working on a grill or using a dedicated burner anyway. But the UIs are awful. Stop turning yourself off. Yes, I do intend to cook the thing I put on you for six hours. Just fucking do it. Give me a knob. Gas stoves use knobs for good reasons. You don't need to invent new UX, just give me a motherfucking knob. A knob without complicated family issues is fine as well. My stove does not need Bluetooth or WiFi. It's a stove. I expect it to work with minor maintenance for 40+ years. Protocols are going to change a lot between here and there. I am not installing your app. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Baphomet will call up and tell me he got right with Jesus before I install your app. There has to be a market for people that want appliances that just... work. Addendum: there are a few induction stoves with knobs, but they are definitely the exception, rather than the rule: - https://www.bluestarcooking.com/cooking/cooktops/36-turn-induction-cooktop/ https://www.bluestarcooking.com/cooking/cooktops/36-turn-ind... - https://performwireless.com/7-best-induction-cooktops-with-knobs/ https://performwireless.com/7-best-induction-cooktops-with-k... (half of these are not full-size built-ins)

punnerud 5y ago
You get them with knobs: https://www.smeg.com/cookers/electric https://www.smeg.com/cookers/electric Spilling have to be a gas thing? I experience it maybe once every three months on a induction oven (what I have at home). I hated the gas oven when I studied in US, impossible to control the temperature accurately and boilover almost every time. Not even any faster.
- StockHuman 5y ago
  Suggesting Smeg to someone concerned with quality undermines your point.
  - punnerud 5y ago
    Could not find any of the products I am used to with knobs
- donw 5y ago
  > Spilling have to be a gas thing? If you're not spilling, you're not cooking hard enough. :) Gas does provide easier temperature regulation, as the change is (a) instantaneous; and (b) infinitely fine-grained compared to the average "levels" of an induction stove. A good gas burner also puts out a more consistent heat pattern, as opposed to the "ring of burning" that is common to most induction cooktops. But for most things, induction is good enough, and I appreciate the day-to-day versatility of "just wipe it down".
2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
>There has to be a market for people that want appliances that just... work. I bet none of the commercial induction cooktops are internet of shit devices.
r_klancer 5y ago
I'm redoing my kitchen (in the US) with induction and ruled out anything with touch controls. I noticed that particular issue as soon as I stepped into the showroom. Thanks for letting me know about the auto-off problem. The other problem to watch out for is poor reliability due to gradual "cooking" of the circuit board -- after all, the knobs are not physically connected to the power electronics; they're just a digital input to a controller, same as for the touch controlled units. The showroom had this Beko range with knobs and no Wifi or "smart" stuff for ~half the starting price of their (so-called) "pro" ranges: https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ranges/induction/PRIR34450SS https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ran... I think I'm going with this GE ("Café") double-oven option for my small kitchen, as long as I can confirm the Wifi stuff is strictly optional and isn't in the failure path: https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ranges/induction/CHS950P2MS1#ProductDetails https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ran... Other options with knobs were from Miele, Fischer and Paykel, and (less expensively) LG. I believe Samsung also sells a range with knobs; see the photo in the article.

by donw 5y ago

punnerud 5y ago

You get them with knobs: https://www.smeg.com/cookers/electric https://www.smeg.com/cookers/electric Spilling have to be a gas thing? I experience it maybe once every three months on a induction oven (what I have at home). I hated the gas oven when I studied in US, impossible to control the temperature accurately and boilover almost every time. Not even any faster.

StockHuman 5y ago
Suggesting Smeg to someone concerned with quality undermines your point.
- punnerud 5y ago
  Could not find any of the products I am used to with knobs
donw 5y ago
> Spilling have to be a gas thing? If you're not spilling, you're not cooking hard enough. :) Gas does provide easier temperature regulation, as the change is (a) instantaneous; and (b) infinitely fine-grained compared to the average "levels" of an induction stove. A good gas burner also puts out a more consistent heat pattern, as opposed to the "ring of burning" that is common to most induction cooktops. But for most things, induction is good enough, and I appreciate the day-to-day versatility of "just wipe it down".

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago

>There has to be a market for people that want appliances that just... work. I bet none of the commercial induction cooktops are internet of shit devices.

r_klancer 5y ago

I'm redoing my kitchen (in the US) with induction and ruled out anything with touch controls. I noticed that particular issue as soon as I stepped into the showroom. Thanks for letting me know about the auto-off problem. The other problem to watch out for is poor reliability due to gradual "cooking" of the circuit board -- after all, the knobs are not physically connected to the power electronics; they're just a digital input to a controller, same as for the touch controlled units. The showroom had this Beko range with knobs and no Wifi or "smart" stuff for ~half the starting price of their (so-called) "pro" ranges: https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ranges/induction/PRIR34450SS https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ran... I think I'm going with this GE ("Café") double-oven option for my small kitchen, as long as I can confirm the Wifi stuff is strictly optional and isn't in the failure path: https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ranges/induction/CHS950P2MS1#ProductDetails https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ran... Other options with knobs were from Miele, Fischer and Paykel, and (less expensively) LG. I believe Samsung also sells a range with knobs; see the photo in the article.