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Do you mean net for desktop applications or asp net?

manigandham 5y ago
Both. Definitely one of the best options for (windows) desktop apps. And asp.net is fantastic for webapps, especially now that Blazor has become so capable. The upcoming MAUI framework is also encouraging and should make cross platform native UI development much nicer.
- hestefisk 5y ago
  Can you comment on how Blazor has become capable? It seems like a cool tech, but when I tried the wasm runtime about 6 months back it was still quite slow. I would like to use it for web app development but speed still seems to be holding it back.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    In typical MS tradition, there is a naming issue. Blazor can mean client-side (via WASM) or server-side.
    - unsignedint 5y ago
      I can see why this is named this way, considering both variants share a lot in common, aside from some platform specific considerations (parallelism, and file system, etc.) moving from one platform to other is fairly simple. In fact back when Blazor WASM didn't provide decent stack trace on a browser console, I was doing development on Blazor Server and then ported it over to WASM.
  - DeathArrow 5y ago
    Still, it is not Angular level slow while being easier to use.
    - Andhao 5y ago
      While your gut may be telling you that, no actual data bears that out as a reality. Exhibit A: a set of benchmarks with actual rationale and cited sources: https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1578257/FULLTEXT01.pdf https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1578257/FULLTEXT... From an objective standpoint it's not a valid comparison. Blazor still has a number of fundamental deficiencies in regards to how it interfaces with the DOM event model via its messaging abstraction. You can't create a symmetrical set of tests without dropping concerns Blazor can't accomplish without custom JS, or limiting the scope of comparisons to what Blazor can do.
  - manigandham 5y ago
    Do you mean speed in development or performance? .NET 6 has made major improvements on both fronts. The best answer I have is the recent Blazor presentation from Steve Sanderson (the original author) from NDC Oslo conference on 2/21/2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn8psTi8FBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn8psTi8FBk It's 1 hour and will explain in far more detail exactly how good it is, from hot-reload (which is massive), importing other packages (including native Rust or C source like SQLite), unified server/wasm APIs, prerendering/hydration improvements, EF Core wasm, and even integration with existing JS react/vue components.
  - Andhao 5y ago
    It is still quite slow, especially at first load due to its comparatively massive payload size. Server-side depends entirely on the connection speed of the interfaces and hardware involved, and will always be necessarily verbose.
  - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
    The other mode of Blazor, server side, is where Blazor really shines. Performance is very fast on the client, and it's a much simpler experience for development that traditional SPA while having a very similar programming model. It's simpler partly because of the cohesive much simplified stack, and partly because for most simple one client apps you don't need to create a server API with all the extra work and issues that brings vs having your server side data in process. Blazor WASM is still unfortunately slow on load, however the recent Steve Sanderson video on Blazor in .NET 6 showed impressive client runtime performance once loaded, by doing virtualized UI access to in process Sqlite for a truly native client performance much better than the current gen SPAs and getting back to how good software used to be, literally instant scrolling over tens of thousands of records. But Blazor server is really excellent, recommend it.
- udbhavs 5y ago
  Are there any demos or samples of MAUI? Last I checked it was in a very early stage and I couldn't find anything
  - manigandham 5y ago
    Yes, it's rapidly developing and they have preview releases every few weeks. Most recent intro videos: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlbO5MjPjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlbO5MjPjU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMYpAw2sl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMYpAw2sl58 The main repo has links to all of the announcement posts for every preview milestone release which goes into far more detail: https://github.com/dotnet/maui https://github.com/dotnet/maui
older 5y ago
I'd say that Asp.Net Core is a totally different from original Asp.Net. It is architected and implemented so well I still am amazed sometimes after working with it for a couple of years now.

Both. Definitely one of the best options for (windows) desktop apps. And asp.net is fantastic for webapps, especially now that Blazor has become so capable. The upcoming MAUI framework is also encouraging and should make cross platform native UI development much nicer.

hestefisk 5y ago
Can you comment on how Blazor has become capable? It seems like a cool tech, but when I tried the wasm runtime about 6 months back it was still quite slow. I would like to use it for web app development but speed still seems to be holding it back.
- Semaphor 5y ago
  In typical MS tradition, there is a naming issue. Blazor can mean client-side (via WASM) or server-side.
  - unsignedint 5y ago
    I can see why this is named this way, considering both variants share a lot in common, aside from some platform specific considerations (parallelism, and file system, etc.) moving from one platform to other is fairly simple. In fact back when Blazor WASM didn't provide decent stack trace on a browser console, I was doing development on Blazor Server and then ported it over to WASM.
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  Still, it is not Angular level slow while being easier to use.
  - Andhao 5y ago
    While your gut may be telling you that, no actual data bears that out as a reality. Exhibit A: a set of benchmarks with actual rationale and cited sources: https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1578257/FULLTEXT01.pdf https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1578257/FULLTEXT... From an objective standpoint it's not a valid comparison. Blazor still has a number of fundamental deficiencies in regards to how it interfaces with the DOM event model via its messaging abstraction. You can't create a symmetrical set of tests without dropping concerns Blazor can't accomplish without custom JS, or limiting the scope of comparisons to what Blazor can do.
- manigandham 5y ago
  Do you mean speed in development or performance? .NET 6 has made major improvements on both fronts. The best answer I have is the recent Blazor presentation from Steve Sanderson (the original author) from NDC Oslo conference on 2/21/2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn8psTi8FBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn8psTi8FBk It's 1 hour and will explain in far more detail exactly how good it is, from hot-reload (which is massive), importing other packages (including native Rust or C source like SQLite), unified server/wasm APIs, prerendering/hydration improvements, EF Core wasm, and even integration with existing JS react/vue components.
- Andhao 5y ago
  It is still quite slow, especially at first load due to its comparatively massive payload size. Server-side depends entirely on the connection speed of the interfaces and hardware involved, and will always be necessarily verbose.
- hackerfromthefu 5y ago
  The other mode of Blazor, server side, is where Blazor really shines. Performance is very fast on the client, and it's a much simpler experience for development that traditional SPA while having a very similar programming model. It's simpler partly because of the cohesive much simplified stack, and partly because for most simple one client apps you don't need to create a server API with all the extra work and issues that brings vs having your server side data in process. Blazor WASM is still unfortunately slow on load, however the recent Steve Sanderson video on Blazor in .NET 6 showed impressive client runtime performance once loaded, by doing virtualized UI access to in process Sqlite for a truly native client performance much better than the current gen SPAs and getting back to how good software used to be, literally instant scrolling over tens of thousands of records. But Blazor server is really excellent, recommend it.
udbhavs 5y ago
Are there any demos or samples of MAUI? Last I checked it was in a very early stage and I couldn't find anything
- manigandham 5y ago
  Yes, it's rapidly developing and they have preview releases every few weeks. Most recent intro videos: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlbO5MjPjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlbO5MjPjU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMYpAw2sl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMYpAw2sl58 The main repo has links to all of the announcement posts for every preview milestone release which goes into far more detail: https://github.com/dotnet/maui https://github.com/dotnet/maui

older 5y ago

I'd say that Asp.Net Core is a totally different from original Asp.Net. It is architected and implemented so well I still am amazed sometimes after working with it for a couple of years now.