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didn't russia try to join nato?

by pasquinelli 5y ago

Schiendelman 5y ago
Yeah, and since it was obviously a troll move, they said no.
- pasquinelli 5y ago
  what made it a troll move?
  - pm90 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhLkwmSu98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhLkwmSu98
  - cardosof 5y ago
    'Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down' Words of the first NATO secretary. So, if people start a club to avoid you and you know it, applying to it is a troll move, no?
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    because they didn't fit the requirements. Mainly have to be a Democracy with more fair law & government.
    - pasquinelli 5y ago
      looking at some of these member states: you sure about that?
      - Schiendelman 5y ago
        Yes. My god man, google the issue.
      - dillondoyle 5y ago
        Most of the countries are pretty high on Democracy index. Some higher than US. Turkey comes to mind as the only standout. There is a general trend towards autocracy in the last years in places like that. Which is sad and a threat to the world imho. But even Turkey (which is probably the least democratic nato member?) isn't comparable to Russia. looking at a map the rest of NATO all fits in the green shade on the democracy index. And also just the basic membership requirement: consensus vote by existing members. So kind of pointless it's trolling from the start. Plus respecting borders one of the founding principles lol. Could look at civ control of military too. turkey is super complicated there. the autocrat definitely does not have control, the opposite. Unlike putin. But in turkey that's also scary and no so comforting for collaboration.
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  It was no more obviously a troll move than seeing if they could join the EU. If they had been given a “Yes”, even with many, many conditions they’d probably have jumped at it. The prospect of EU membership was a big enough carrot for the Turkish military to relinquish control of the state to the electorate. NATO and EU membership? That would have been massive. Even EFTA membership would have been enormous. There was a brief period when Russia and its leadership sure looked like they wanted to be a normal country. Could have been a con. If not it was an enormous squandered opportunity.
  - Schiendelman 5y ago
    Both of those were troll moves. They don’t come close to meeting or being on track to meet the requirements for either. Their goal is to trick you, personally, into making comments like you just made.

didn't russia try to join nato?

Schiendelman 5y ago

Yeah, and since it was obviously a troll move, they said no.

pasquinelli 5y ago
what made it a troll move?
- pm90 5y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhLkwmSu98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhLkwmSu98
- cardosof 5y ago
  'Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down' Words of the first NATO secretary. So, if people start a club to avoid you and you know it, applying to it is a troll move, no?
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  because they didn't fit the requirements. Mainly have to be a Democracy with more fair law & government.
  - pasquinelli 5y ago
    looking at some of these member states: you sure about that?
    - Schiendelman 5y ago
      Yes. My god man, google the issue.
    - dillondoyle 5y ago
      Most of the countries are pretty high on Democracy index. Some higher than US. Turkey comes to mind as the only standout. There is a general trend towards autocracy in the last years in places like that. Which is sad and a threat to the world imho. But even Turkey (which is probably the least democratic nato member?) isn't comparable to Russia. looking at a map the rest of NATO all fits in the green shade on the democracy index. And also just the basic membership requirement: consensus vote by existing members. So kind of pointless it's trolling from the start. Plus respecting borders one of the founding principles lol. Could look at civ control of military too. turkey is super complicated there. the autocrat definitely does not have control, the opposite. Unlike putin. But in turkey that's also scary and no so comforting for collaboration.
barry-cotter 5y ago
It was no more obviously a troll move than seeing if they could join the EU. If they had been given a “Yes”, even with many, many conditions they’d probably have jumped at it. The prospect of EU membership was a big enough carrot for the Turkish military to relinquish control of the state to the electorate. NATO and EU membership? That would have been massive. Even EFTA membership would have been enormous. There was a brief period when Russia and its leadership sure looked like they wanted to be a normal country. Could have been a con. If not it was an enormous squandered opportunity.
- Schiendelman 5y ago
  Both of those were troll moves. They don’t come close to meeting or being on track to meet the requirements for either. Their goal is to trick you, personally, into making comments like you just made.