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> It’s pretty uncontroversial among people who study these disparities that economic and other differences between subgroups is caused by structural issues, not

> It’s pretty uncontroversial among people who study these disparities that economic and other differences between subgroups is caused by structural issues, not prejudice And what do you suppose much of those structural issues are rooted in here in the U.S.? Housing makes a very substantial portion of family wealth, which is the biggest indicator of educational attainment.

jollybean 5y ago
Migrants of all races come to America with zero generational wealth and attain middle class status very quickly. I suggest mindset/culture/behaviour is actually more predictive than 'how much inheritance' people get form their parents home ownership.
- ProfessorLayton 5y ago
  People that uproot their entire lives and move to a new country is a very high filter, so it's no surprise that those same people and their children tend to be more successful overall. Things aren't as rosy when including non-immigrants. Your mindset/culture/behavior suggestion isn't backed up by a study, however, family wealth is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993612/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993612/ "family wealth may have become even more important to support direct investments in educational opportunity—in the form of good neighborhoods, secondary schools, and colleges" One need not inherit anything from their parents to reap the benefits of family wealth.
rayiner 5y ago
> Housing makes a very substantial portion of family wealth, which is the biggest indicator of educational attainment. That explains a little—Black people whose parents were redlined into neighborhoods with low property values will inherit a lot less on average than white people. But that only explains so much—few immigrants will ever inherit property in America yet nearly every immigrant group has similar or higher income mobility compared to white Americans: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353. Hispanic immigrants, who typically come here at the bottom of the totem pole, reach near parity with whites within three generations. Vietnamese came here as refugees and attained parity with whites within a generation. The only groups which aren’t converging with whites is Black people and Indians (native Americans). But to circle back to my point, we’re glossing over something important—the “median white income” is illusory! Italian Americans lapped Appalachian Americans despite coming here later and suffering much more discrimination. If you want to understand what causes structural economic disparities you’re doing yourself a disservice by white American communities that exhibit similar structural and generation economic disparities. Why are Appalachians poor? Why are coastal Oregonians poor?

jollybean 5y ago

Migrants of all races come to America with zero generational wealth and attain middle class status very quickly. I suggest mindset/culture/behaviour is actually more predictive than 'how much inheritance' people get form their parents home ownership.

ProfessorLayton 5y ago
People that uproot their entire lives and move to a new country is a very high filter, so it's no surprise that those same people and their children tend to be more successful overall. Things aren't as rosy when including non-immigrants. Your mindset/culture/behavior suggestion isn't backed up by a study, however, family wealth is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993612/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993612/ "family wealth may have become even more important to support direct investments in educational opportunity—in the form of good neighborhoods, secondary schools, and colleges" One need not inherit anything from their parents to reap the benefits of family wealth.

rayiner 5y ago

> Housing makes a very substantial portion of family wealth, which is the biggest indicator of educational attainment. That explains a little—Black people whose parents were redlined into neighborhoods with low property values will inherit a lot less on average than white people. But that only explains so much—few immigrants will ever inherit property in America yet nearly every immigrant group has similar or higher income mobility compared to white Americans: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353. Hispanic immigrants, who typically come here at the bottom of the totem pole, reach near parity with whites within three generations. Vietnamese came here as refugees and attained parity with whites within a generation. The only groups which aren’t converging with whites is Black people and Indians (native Americans). But to circle back to my point, we’re glossing over something important—the “median white income” is illusory! Italian Americans lapped Appalachian Americans despite coming here later and suffering much more discrimination. If you want to understand what causes structural economic disparities you’re doing yourself a disservice by white American communities that exhibit similar structural and generation economic disparities. Why are Appalachians poor? Why are coastal Oregonians poor?