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Hard disagree on the tooling costs. VS Enterprise is $250/month per seat. VS Code is way too limited for most .Net projects. …and that’s if you can even figure

Hard disagree on the tooling costs. VS Enterprise is $250/month per seat. VS Code is way too limited for most .Net projects. …and that’s if you can even figure out how to manage your VS licensing within the deep abomination that is the MS sign-on and management. Most frustrating experience of my life entire professional life was dealing with O365, Visual Studio, and Azure subscriptions.

joe_guy 5y ago
$250 is several hours of most developers pay. If it saves them any amount of time it's incredibly easy to justify. It's also rare to need what Enterprise has that Professional does not.
- cerved 5y ago
  It doesn't. It wastes time and it's only used because your stack is built on EF6 database first and it's the only method to update your ORM entities
  - joe_guy 5y ago
    That's an extremely aggressive response for an entirely subjective viewpoint.
rr808 5y ago
Rider is $349/year
- runevault 5y ago
  Note this is the organization price. If you are buying for individual it is $149 or you can get the full suite for $249 (going down $50/year for years 2 and then 3+ stays at $149)
- cerved 5y ago
  Rider is also a good piece of software. VS is garbage
  - Smaug123 5y ago
    Have you tried VS2022, which is basically a complete rewrite? In my limited experience, it's dramatically better than VS2019.
jpeter 5y ago
Why do you need VS Enterprise? Professional is enough and costs $45 / month
- TowerTall 5y ago
  Community edition is the same version as pro and cost zero.
- hackerfromthefu 5y ago
  Agreed, Pro/Community covers everything you need.
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HideousKojima 5y ago
>VS Code is way too limited for most .Net projects. I've been forcing myself to use VS Code for my last few C# projects and it's actually quite usable once you get used to the quirks and limitations. The biggest issues: 1) You really need to understand the dotnet CLI tools or you're going to be in for a world of hurt 2) Omnisharp craps the bed way too often. Restarting it from the command palette fixes 99% of the issues though. 3) You need to know the ins and outs of launch.json and task.json in VS Code if you want to do anything more complicated than build and attach. Full VS is much easier to work with here.
- ripley12 5y ago
  > Omnisharp craps the bed way too often. FWIW I've had a much better experience with OmniSharp since they shipped a version running on .NET 6 (opt-in with the "omnisharp.useModernNet" setting). YMMV but I need to restart it much less now. https://www.strathweb.com/2022/01/hello-omnisharp-on-net-6-0/ https://www.strathweb.com/2022/01/hello-omnisharp-on-net-6-0...
  - HideousKojima 5y ago
    Yeah I'm running the .NET 6 version of Omnisharp and it's definitely a major improvement, but it's still got a ways to go.
- CharlieDigital 5y ago
  I did the same thing and hard forced myself to code in VS Code and now I'm fully comfortable working in VS Code on macOS. The main stumbling blocks are really around debugging setup. A lot of stuff that VS IDE proper sets up for you automatically you have to manually wire up in VS Code.

joe_guy 5y ago

$250 is several hours of most developers pay. If it saves them any amount of time it's incredibly easy to justify. It's also rare to need what Enterprise has that Professional does not.

cerved 5y ago
It doesn't. It wastes time and it's only used because your stack is built on EF6 database first and it's the only method to update your ORM entities
- joe_guy 5y ago
  That's an extremely aggressive response for an entirely subjective viewpoint.

rr808 5y ago

Rider is $349/year

runevault 5y ago
Note this is the organization price. If you are buying for individual it is $149 or you can get the full suite for $249 (going down $50/year for years 2 and then 3+ stays at $149)
cerved 5y ago
Rider is also a good piece of software. VS is garbage
- Smaug123 5y ago
  Have you tried VS2022, which is basically a complete rewrite? In my limited experience, it's dramatically better than VS2019.

jpeter 5y ago

Why do you need VS Enterprise? Professional is enough and costs $45 / month

TowerTall 5y ago
Community edition is the same version as pro and cost zero.
hackerfromthefu 5y ago
Agreed, Pro/Community covers everything you need.

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HideousKojima 5y ago

>VS Code is way too limited for most .Net projects. I've been forcing myself to use VS Code for my last few C# projects and it's actually quite usable once you get used to the quirks and limitations. The biggest issues: 1) You really need to understand the dotnet CLI tools or you're going to be in for a world of hurt 2) Omnisharp craps the bed way too often. Restarting it from the command palette fixes 99% of the issues though. 3) You need to know the ins and outs of launch.json and task.json in VS Code if you want to do anything more complicated than build and attach. Full VS is much easier to work with here.

ripley12 5y ago
> Omnisharp craps the bed way too often. FWIW I've had a much better experience with OmniSharp since they shipped a version running on .NET 6 (opt-in with the "omnisharp.useModernNet" setting). YMMV but I need to restart it much less now. https://www.strathweb.com/2022/01/hello-omnisharp-on-net-6-0/ https://www.strathweb.com/2022/01/hello-omnisharp-on-net-6-0...
- HideousKojima 5y ago
  Yeah I'm running the .NET 6 version of Omnisharp and it's definitely a major improvement, but it's still got a ways to go.
CharlieDigital 5y ago
I did the same thing and hard forced myself to code in VS Code and now I'm fully comfortable working in VS Code on macOS. The main stumbling blocks are really around debugging setup. A lot of stuff that VS IDE proper sets up for you automatically you have to manually wire up in VS Code.