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Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

111 points by awb 5y ago

aemreunal 5y ago
https://archive.ph/t6yUb https://archive.ph/t6yUb
ladyanita22 5y ago
He's a hero imo
- dua2020 5y ago
  "But on review, Amnesty International concluded that comments made by Navalny some 15 years ago, including a video which appears to compare immigrants to cockroaches, amounted to "hate speech" which was incompatible with the label "prisoner of conscience"." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    note to others: there are different levels of asshole. There are those who are bigots and there are those who would murder a nation to assuage his ego, they are usually not the same.
    - dua2020 5y ago
      Indeed you are right, no moral equivalence is implied. But in the long run, white supremacists should not be looked to as an appropriate or effective opposition to Putin. And it is interesting that the western media can't find any one else to be the face of liberal democracy in Russia, is it because they can't find one or because they are just too lazy to check Navalny's actual position on things.
      - ladyanita22 5y ago
        Everything that can take down Putin is an ally of mine. Once Putin is taken down, we will discuss about the appropriateness of this or the other leader.
- mise_en_place 5y ago
  There are no heroes, when it comes to politics.
anonu 5y ago
This should have more upvotes.
anonuser123456 5y ago
Serious question. How has this guy not fallen out of his jail cell window? What are the politics that keeps him alive?
- aaronbrethorst 5y ago
  Don't want to create a martyr...
  - q1w2 5y ago
    I'm pleasantly surprised he was able to get the message out at all... Per the article "He is able to publish social media posts through his lawyers and allies.". Although this will be the last message that Russians will see from him on Instagram since Instagram will be banned in Russia as of March 14th (tomorrow). Translation of his post.... "The most important people" is a stupid expression. Well, how do you define them? All important, and it is impossible to weigh all the factors that determine the importance of people. In peacetime. And now, I think, we can say that the most important people on the planet - those who in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities went out and will go again to anti-war rallies.Mad maniac Putin will most quickly be stopped by the people of Russia now if they oppose the war. And it's a tough marathon. Fight for exhaustion. With fear and arrests. But it's definitely not a futile fight. Not a symbolic gesture of desperation. Look even official, court sociology. They say 71% are for the war, 29% are against. Even if we believe it, it turns out that every third person supports the anti-war movement at the start. And this was before the war hit us too, with sanctions and economic disaster. Until the main horror of the war - coffins with sons returning to their mothers. I am speaking to you as a viewer. Even the official figure of the losses of the Russian army - 498 people - was not mentioned on TV NEVER. The picture of what is happening, drawn by Putin’s propaganda: there are almost no deaths on both sides, the Ukrainian army has fled, there is almost no destruction, “gangs of Nazis” have settled in some places, but they will soon be destroyed. Ukrainians meet Russian tanks with flowers. To live such a picture of the world - even in the minds of the most stupid and stubborn - is not long.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  Putin needs some plausible excuse to scale back his "special operation" without looking like a lightweight or a loser, and big protests throughout Russia would give him just that. So this is a very shrewd move by Navalny that just might work to tip things over, even though you would rightly expect such protests to be generally ineffective.
andrewflnr 5y ago
I don't understand the balance of civil rights and government power in Russia. It's obviously not a free state, and the government has a pretty free hand to arrest protesters, suppress the press, etc. But Navalny is somehow still able to communicate from jail? Wouldn't it be easy to prevent that, for Putin or whoever else he annoys? Does his high profile make it harder to keep him incommunicado (ed: or heavily censor his comms)? Or should we assume that "from his Instagram" doesn't necessarily require the actual man's input, as long as the account is controlled by people who (even approximately) agree with him?
- prostoalex 5y ago
  From my understanding, to protect themselves and claim that they were "just following orders" Russian corrections officers follow the letter of the law, which (as of now) still allows personal attorney visits. The state might not make it easy, and move the prisoner to a facility in some remote part of Siberia, but unless rule books are re-written, the corrections officers have to reluctantly comply.
jvanderbot 5y ago
> a message on Navalny's Instagram account said So, that'll reach zero Russians?
- grishka 5y ago
  Firstly, Instagram isn't blocked yet. Roskomnadzor has decided to give people some time to prepare. Secondly, at this point everyone knows what a VPN is. Not everyone uses one though. Thirdly, he also obviously has a VKontakte profile[1] but didn't post that particular message there. [1] https://vk.com/navalny https://vk.com/navalny edit: he did post it but on his team's page https://vk.com/wall-55284725_1573788 https://vk.com/wall-55284725_1573788
BrBone 5y ago
Result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLwHzZo_mo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLwHzZo_mo

111 points by awb 5y ago

aemreunal 5y ago

https://archive.ph/t6yUb https://archive.ph/t6yUb

ladyanita22 5y ago

He's a hero imo

dua2020 5y ago
"But on review, Amnesty International concluded that comments made by Navalny some 15 years ago, including a video which appears to compare immigrants to cockroaches, amounted to "hate speech" which was incompatible with the label "prisoner of conscience"." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  note to others: there are different levels of asshole. There are those who are bigots and there are those who would murder a nation to assuage his ego, they are usually not the same.
  - dua2020 5y ago
    Indeed you are right, no moral equivalence is implied. But in the long run, white supremacists should not be looked to as an appropriate or effective opposition to Putin. And it is interesting that the western media can't find any one else to be the face of liberal democracy in Russia, is it because they can't find one or because they are just too lazy to check Navalny's actual position on things.
    - ladyanita22 5y ago
      Everything that can take down Putin is an ally of mine. Once Putin is taken down, we will discuss about the appropriateness of this or the other leader.
mise_en_place 5y ago
There are no heroes, when it comes to politics.

anonu 5y ago

This should have more upvotes.

anonuser123456 5y ago

Serious question. How has this guy not fallen out of his jail cell window? What are the politics that keeps him alive?

aaronbrethorst 5y ago
Don't want to create a martyr...
- q1w2 5y ago
  I'm pleasantly surprised he was able to get the message out at all... Per the article "He is able to publish social media posts through his lawyers and allies.". Although this will be the last message that Russians will see from him on Instagram since Instagram will be banned in Russia as of March 14th (tomorrow). Translation of his post.... "The most important people" is a stupid expression. Well, how do you define them? All important, and it is impossible to weigh all the factors that determine the importance of people. In peacetime. And now, I think, we can say that the most important people on the planet - those who in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities went out and will go again to anti-war rallies.Mad maniac Putin will most quickly be stopped by the people of Russia now if they oppose the war. And it's a tough marathon. Fight for exhaustion. With fear and arrests. But it's definitely not a futile fight. Not a symbolic gesture of desperation. Look even official, court sociology. They say 71% are for the war, 29% are against. Even if we believe it, it turns out that every third person supports the anti-war movement at the start. And this was before the war hit us too, with sanctions and economic disaster. Until the main horror of the war - coffins with sons returning to their mothers. I am speaking to you as a viewer. Even the official figure of the losses of the Russian army - 498 people - was not mentioned on TV NEVER. The picture of what is happening, drawn by Putin’s propaganda: there are almost no deaths on both sides, the Ukrainian army has fled, there is almost no destruction, “gangs of Nazis” have settled in some places, but they will soon be destroyed. Ukrainians meet Russian tanks with flowers. To live such a picture of the world - even in the minds of the most stupid and stubborn - is not long.
zozbot234 5y ago
Putin needs some plausible excuse to scale back his "special operation" without looking like a lightweight or a loser, and big protests throughout Russia would give him just that. So this is a very shrewd move by Navalny that just might work to tip things over, even though you would rightly expect such protests to be generally ineffective.

andrewflnr 5y ago

I don't understand the balance of civil rights and government power in Russia. It's obviously not a free state, and the government has a pretty free hand to arrest protesters, suppress the press, etc. But Navalny is somehow still able to communicate from jail? Wouldn't it be easy to prevent that, for Putin or whoever else he annoys? Does his high profile make it harder to keep him incommunicado (ed: or heavily censor his comms)? Or should we assume that "from his Instagram" doesn't necessarily require the actual man's input, as long as the account is controlled by people who (even approximately) agree with him?

prostoalex 5y ago
From my understanding, to protect themselves and claim that they were "just following orders" Russian corrections officers follow the letter of the law, which (as of now) still allows personal attorney visits. The state might not make it easy, and move the prisoner to a facility in some remote part of Siberia, but unless rule books are re-written, the corrections officers have to reluctantly comply.

jvanderbot 5y ago

> a message on Navalny's Instagram account said So, that'll reach zero Russians?

grishka 5y ago
Firstly, Instagram isn't blocked yet. Roskomnadzor has decided to give people some time to prepare. Secondly, at this point everyone knows what a VPN is. Not everyone uses one though. Thirdly, he also obviously has a VKontakte profile[1] but didn't post that particular message there. [1] https://vk.com/navalny https://vk.com/navalny edit: he did post it but on his team's page https://vk.com/wall-55284725_1573788 https://vk.com/wall-55284725_1573788

BrBone 5y ago

Result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLwHzZo_mo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLwHzZo_mo