'The problem with java is not java, it is java developers.' .NET certainly enables the same ridiculous layers of enterprisey junk, and even promotes them in old

'The problem with java is not java, it is java developers.' .NET certainly enables the same ridiculous layers of enterprisey junk, and even promotes them in older default frameworks. But like any language, it just takes discipline to stop your team building this bloat. A CLI app in .NET is as clean as you build it, and sensible frameworks are now available for web stuff too.