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There is a limit to how long a commute can grow before it becomes untenable a part of a daily routine. Being able to do other things while commuting increases a

by shkkmo 5y ago

There is a limit to how long a commute can grow before it becomes untenable a part of a daily routine. Being able to do other things while commuting increases acceptable commute time, but does not elimant this limit. Traffic can greatly extend commuting times and thus is directly relevant.

ben_w 5y ago
If you can sleep in the car while it’s moving, it’s potentially adding up to 8 hours per day to your acceptable commute duration. (And that’s separate to having a self driving RV, which also radically changes the home marketplace)
- shkkmo 5y ago
  That just extends the limit, the limit still exists. Because of that limit, traffic reduces the range you can commute within that limit. I don't think "self-driving" rv's do anything to revolutionize the housing market. What they do is revolutionize travel (it's like having a private luxery train car that can go almost anywhere.) Parking an RV can be an expensive and competive in and around urban areas (speaking from vanlife experience.) Having a self-driving RV driving around all night while you sleep also isn't cost effective and won't scale. What I see as a revolution in the rv/housing market would be affordable, all eletric RVs with sufficient solar capacity to recharge their range over the course days. Combine this with starlink and/or 5g and you create cheaply location flexible housing.
  - ben_w 5y ago
    > That just extends the limit, the limit still exists. Because of that limit, traffic reduces the range you can commute within that limit. Yeah and? The limit is in the order of 250 miles. Have you seen how cheap houses get 250 miles away from cities? London to Bradford is about that distance, and the average property prices in those two are £629,400 [0] and £58,673 [1] respectively, nearly a factor of 11. Or, if you prefer American reference points, SanFran to the edge of Nevada; or the White House to anywhere in Delaware and Maryland, most of Virginia and New Jersey, and half of each of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia; or Boston to the Canadian border; or LA to Ensenada, Mexico. Don’t tell me there’s nowhere affordable in all that. Especially not in the large number of tiny places that aren’t important enough to be labelled on the map when it’s zoomed out to 250 miles. House costs are mostly the land cost. More range = more land = more supply => cheaper houses. [0] https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/property-news/london-house-prices-growth-outpaced-uk-average-b976837.html https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/property-news/lo... [1] https://www.moveiq.co.uk/blog/buying/10-cheapest-places-buy-house-uk/ https://www.moveiq.co.uk/blog/buying/10-cheapest-places-buy-...

by shkkmo 5y ago

ben_w 5y ago

If you can sleep in the car while it’s moving, it’s potentially adding up to 8 hours per day to your acceptable commute duration. (And that’s separate to having a self driving RV, which also radically changes the home marketplace)

shkkmo 5y ago
That just extends the limit, the limit still exists. Because of that limit, traffic reduces the range you can commute within that limit. I don't think "self-driving" rv's do anything to revolutionize the housing market. What they do is revolutionize travel (it's like having a private luxery train car that can go almost anywhere.) Parking an RV can be an expensive and competive in and around urban areas (speaking from vanlife experience.) Having a self-driving RV driving around all night while you sleep also isn't cost effective and won't scale. What I see as a revolution in the rv/housing market would be affordable, all eletric RVs with sufficient solar capacity to recharge their range over the course days. Combine this with starlink and/or 5g and you create cheaply location flexible housing.
- ben_w 5y ago
  > That just extends the limit, the limit still exists. Because of that limit, traffic reduces the range you can commute within that limit. Yeah and? The limit is in the order of 250 miles. Have you seen how cheap houses get 250 miles away from cities? London to Bradford is about that distance, and the average property prices in those two are £629,400 [0] and £58,673 [1] respectively, nearly a factor of 11. Or, if you prefer American reference points, SanFran to the edge of Nevada; or the White House to anywhere in Delaware and Maryland, most of Virginia and New Jersey, and half of each of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia; or Boston to the Canadian border; or LA to Ensenada, Mexico. Don’t tell me there’s nowhere affordable in all that. Especially not in the large number of tiny places that aren’t important enough to be labelled on the map when it’s zoomed out to 250 miles. House costs are mostly the land cost. More range = more land = more supply => cheaper houses. [0] https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/property-news/london-house-prices-growth-outpaced-uk-average-b976837.html https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/property-news/lo... [1] https://www.moveiq.co.uk/blog/buying/10-cheapest-places-buy-house-uk/ https://www.moveiq.co.uk/blog/buying/10-cheapest-places-buy-...