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The parallels right now between Hitler as he attempted the invasion of the USSR and Putin's current isolated derangement just keep on growing. The latest series

The parallels right now between Hitler as he attempted the invasion of the USSR and Putin's current isolated derangement just keep on growing. The latest series of Rise of the Nazis on the BBC is incredibly interesting to watch with the current situation in mind - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09jgldz/rise-of-the-nazis-dictators-at-war-episode-1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09jgldz/rise-of-the-n...

mushbino 5y ago
I've been seeing a pretty big wave of Nazi apologists on the left lately. It feels like now that everyone knows we've been arming Nazis in Ukraine they moved from denying it to saying Nazis weren't all that bad. Imo, Putin is more analogous to GW Bush with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you make a claim for how Putin is worse than even Bush in this regard?
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- xdennis 5y ago
  Ukraine has one battalion with about 10-20% nazi associations. That's it. They have zero seats in parliament and no political influence. No one is saying nazis aren't bad. But so long as they're killing invaders, it's an acceptable evil.
  - mushbino 5y ago
    This is what I'm saying. People saying Nazis are okay as long as they're killing people I'm told to hate. I've spent lots of time in Ukraine and Ukrainian is my 3rd language. I have many friends there, but unfortunately I couldn't take my ex there to visit because she's black and it would be an issue. Their former president Yushchenko declared a famous Nazi as a national hero. It's most certainly an issue there.
  - mushbino 5y ago
    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-azov-regiment-has-not-depoliticized/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-azov-... This is not to mention C14 or the свобода (Svoboda) political party aside from the Azov battalion. They have an outsized influence in Ukrainian politics. This is one of the main reasons why they won't concede on NATO membership to end the war, US interests aside.
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- xdennis 5y ago
  > Facebook is even promoting straight up hate crimes. Killing invaders (which is what Facebook is allowing) is not a hate crime, it's a duty of any citizen of a society. > It’s not a meme that Russia started. It's not a meme. It's propaganda only Russians believe. Russia is also the country with the largest number of neo-nazis (about 80-100k).
  - MrRiddle 5y ago
    Facebook directly allowed praise of previously blocked Ukrainian Nazis. https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...
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        trasz 5y ago
        It’s not Azov that’s purposefully murdering civilians - it’s Russians.
        MrRiddle 5y ago
        It literally is, civilians left in huge numbers from all eastern cities except Mariupol where Azov is stationed. They’re using civilians as shields.
gentleman11 5y ago
Hitler's army was a lot better than Russia's, but Russia has nukes. Imagine if hitler had nukes... he was already trying to destroy germany in a blaze of glory in the final days. Putin needs a way to back down and save at least some face so he doesn't go crazy.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Putin needs a way to back down and save at least some face so he doesn't go crazy. I think this neglects that: (1) Putin has painted himself into a corner from which there is no way to back down and save face, period. (2) The most likely reason for this is that his entire regime is dysfunctional because he has already gone crazy, specifically in a way repeatedly seen in authoritarian rulers where paranoia over disloyalty results in punishing unwelcome news harshly as disloyalty, punishing welcome news that turns out to be inaccurate later harshly as disloyalty, punishing excessive visible success which leads to others achieving a personal following as disloyalty, an punishing failure as disloyalty.
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- rad_gruchalski 5y ago
  > Putin needs a way to back down and save at least some face so he doesn't go crazy. That ship has sailed. He was given multiple opportunities and picked up none.
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mushbino 5y ago

I've been seeing a pretty big wave of Nazi apologists on the left lately. It feels like now that everyone knows we've been arming Nazis in Ukraine they moved from denying it to saying Nazis weren't all that bad. Imo, Putin is more analogous to GW Bush with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you make a claim for how Putin is worse than even Bush in this regard?

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xdennis 5y ago
Ukraine has one battalion with about 10-20% nazi associations. That's it. They have zero seats in parliament and no political influence. No one is saying nazis aren't bad. But so long as they're killing invaders, it's an acceptable evil.
- mushbino 5y ago
  This is what I'm saying. People saying Nazis are okay as long as they're killing people I'm told to hate. I've spent lots of time in Ukraine and Ukrainian is my 3rd language. I have many friends there, but unfortunately I couldn't take my ex there to visit because she's black and it would be an issue. Their former president Yushchenko declared a famous Nazi as a national hero. It's most certainly an issue there.
- mushbino 5y ago
  https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-azov-regiment-has-not-depoliticized/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-azov-... This is not to mention C14 or the свобода (Svoboda) political party aside from the Azov battalion. They have an outsized influence in Ukrainian politics. This is one of the main reasons why they won't concede on NATO membership to end the war, US interests aside.

MrRiddle 5y ago

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xdennis 5y ago
> Facebook is even promoting straight up hate crimes. Killing invaders (which is what Facebook is allowing) is not a hate crime, it's a duty of any citizen of a society. > It’s not a meme that Russia started. It's not a meme. It's propaganda only Russians believe. Russia is also the country with the largest number of neo-nazis (about 80-100k).
- MrRiddle 5y ago
  Facebook directly allowed praise of previously blocked Ukrainian Nazis. https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...
  - djohnston 5y ago
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      - trasz 5y ago
        It’s not Azov that’s purposefully murdering civilians - it’s Russians.
        MrRiddle 5y ago
        It literally is, civilians left in huge numbers from all eastern cities except Mariupol where Azov is stationed. They’re using civilians as shields.

gentleman11 5y ago

Hitler's army was a lot better than Russia's, but Russia has nukes. Imagine if hitler had nukes... he was already trying to destroy germany in a blaze of glory in the final days. Putin needs a way to back down and save at least some face so he doesn't go crazy.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Putin needs a way to back down and save at least some face so he doesn't go crazy. I think this neglects that: (1) Putin has painted himself into a corner from which there is no way to back down and save face, period. (2) The most likely reason for this is that his entire regime is dysfunctional because he has already gone crazy, specifically in a way repeatedly seen in authoritarian rulers where paranoia over disloyalty results in punishing unwelcome news harshly as disloyalty, punishing welcome news that turns out to be inaccurate later harshly as disloyalty, punishing excessive visible success which leads to others achieving a personal following as disloyalty, an punishing failure as disloyalty.
- jansen555 5y ago
rad_gruchalski 5y ago
> Putin needs a way to back down and save at least some face so he doesn't go crazy. That ship has sailed. He was given multiple opportunities and picked up none.

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