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Everything I’m hearing about Mariupol is the opposite of what I want to hear. It’s an absolute disaster that’s ratcheting up day-by-day. The Russian army is usi
by chongli 5y ago
Everything I’m hearing about Mariupol is the opposite of what I want to hear. It’s an absolute disaster that’s ratcheting up day-by-day. The Russian army is using modern artillery to conduct medieval siege warfare. They’re deliberately starving the whole population to death and the city (like most cities today) had zero preparations to deal with a siege.
We’ve got to find some way to get these people supplies!
- CyanBird 5y ago
- cmurf 5y agoThere is one solution to the death problem, Russia ends their war of aggression, a war of choice, and a war of conquest to illegally expand their borders. Illegal because they are parties to agreements saying it is, which they've reneged on. Surrender is a likely false hope for survival. Given Putin started a war with multiple agreements in place saying Russia wouldn't, why trust any future agreements they're a party to?
- wolverine876 5y agoThat is the goal of the Russians, and their argument. It's OK for Russia! Not so much for Ukrainians.
- burntoutfire 5y agoI don't understand why people are calling these tactics "medieval". The same tactics were also widely used in XX century, e.g. in siege of Leningrad, during the pacification of Warsaw Uprising or in Jugoslavia war in 1990s. They're part of the "total war" package that is and always was on the table for leaders determined to win at all costs (or are just seeking revenge - let's not forget that the Alies burned hundreds of thousands of civilians to death during bombings near the end of WWII).
- hackerfromthefu 5y agoBecause apparently modern US warfare doctrine and smarter guided weapons causes less civilian casualties.
- gumby 5y agoIn the end so many targeted munitions are fired that the final result is the same as conventional bombardment.
- hackerfromthefu 5y agoNote the second word 'apparently' Editing to add below here as I can't seem to reply to your reply. I agree my wording wasn't clear, apologies. I meant apparently in the sense of that is what western media writes. I don't know enough about it personally to have an informed opinion of what the truth is.
- gumby 5y agoMy point is that I don’t believe it is at all apparent from the evidence of use over the past 25 years.
- wolverine876 5y agoI'm pretty certain that isn't close to true. Do you have any numbers? Look at the state of Afghan and Iraqi cities - do they look like Dresden?
- kingofpandora 5y agoMosul and Raqqa sure did.
- wolverine876 5y agoIIRC that was infantry and supporting fire, not a bombing campaign of precision-guided weapons. Still, an important point.