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That's ironic, because China hates strong female role models or protagonists in movies due to an endemically sexist culture

fullshark 5y ago
I think the Mulan update was a huge flop in China FWIW, so maybe Disney tried to thread the needle there and failed. New Star Wars movies also I think didn't do well there. https://variety.com/2020/film/asia/why-china-hates-disney-mulan-1234770198/ https://variety.com/2020/film/asia/why-china-hates-disney-mu... > The most fundamental flaw, most felt, was that Disney’s new heroine starts out from childhood already equipped with superhero-like abilities, thanks to her extraordinary reserves of “qi,” the force that she cultivates and controls to excel as a fighter. > Turning her into a superhero removes Mulan’s everywoman appeal, and leaves her with no room to grow as a character, huge swathes of Chinese viewers said. Basically the exact criticism of the youtube video interestingly enough
- Strawhorse 5y ago
  I think the new Mulan fail was due to some social media shitstorm about the lead actress or something; the spastic Chinese internet trolls had a feeding frenzy on something she said. At the same time, the movie got trashed in the West for being, well, shit.
  - fullshark 5y ago
    In any case I think the macro issue is trying to placate too many audiences with their own agendas (hardcore fanboys, Chinese censors, feminist cultural agitators, etc) instead of telling a good story with interesting characters, at least for the cinema the video maker is focused on (big budget IP).
    - Strawhorse 5y ago
      Tell that to Hollywood, man. A lot of their movies now are being passed by Chinese censors first with the domestic market somewhat of an afterthought. Interestingly, though, China hasn't produced a single decent movie in a decade or two, and they certainly don't give a fuck about the foreign market. But I agree with what you said there.

fullshark 5y ago

I think the Mulan update was a huge flop in China FWIW, so maybe Disney tried to thread the needle there and failed. New Star Wars movies also I think didn't do well there. https://variety.com/2020/film/asia/why-china-hates-disney-mulan-1234770198/ https://variety.com/2020/film/asia/why-china-hates-disney-mu... > The most fundamental flaw, most felt, was that Disney’s new heroine starts out from childhood already equipped with superhero-like abilities, thanks to her extraordinary reserves of “qi,” the force that she cultivates and controls to excel as a fighter. > Turning her into a superhero removes Mulan’s everywoman appeal, and leaves her with no room to grow as a character, huge swathes of Chinese viewers said. Basically the exact criticism of the youtube video interestingly enough

Strawhorse 5y ago
I think the new Mulan fail was due to some social media shitstorm about the lead actress or something; the spastic Chinese internet trolls had a feeding frenzy on something she said. At the same time, the movie got trashed in the West for being, well, shit.
- fullshark 5y ago
  In any case I think the macro issue is trying to placate too many audiences with their own agendas (hardcore fanboys, Chinese censors, feminist cultural agitators, etc) instead of telling a good story with interesting characters, at least for the cinema the video maker is focused on (big budget IP).
  - Strawhorse 5y ago
    Tell that to Hollywood, man. A lot of their movies now are being passed by Chinese censors first with the domestic market somewhat of an afterthought. Interestingly, though, China hasn't produced a single decent movie in a decade or two, and they certainly don't give a fuck about the foreign market. But I agree with what you said there.