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> I really didn't read your original comment as talking about philosophical zombies. Is that what you really meant, or is your new comment a play on words? Plea
by 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago
> I really didn't read your original comment as talking about philosophical zombies. Is that what you really meant, or is your new comment a play on words? Please excuse my confusion.
No worries - p-zombie is definitely what I meant by “zombie”.
> I don't understand what you mean by "GOFAI systems are just ANN engrams"
> I don't understand "ANN engrams" anyway.
So, in psychology, there was and is a tradition of understanding where in the brain any given thing exists. For example, what specific neurons or groups of neurons are responsible for individual memories, thoughts, concepts, etc. They call that location the “engram”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engram_%28neuropsychology%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engram_%28neuropsychology%29
What I’m trying to say is that with a complex enough neural architecture, one would be able to conduct the same engram investigations on an ANN.
> so clearly neural networks do not need to be "statistical"
Eh, I’m not an expert (just a bachelor), but I generally agree. Some (all?) artificial neurons may need to be statistical functions over a sample space. However, some (many?) artificial glia may not need to be statistical functions over a sample space.
An artificial glia’s sample space might simply be the artificial neurons, themselves, rather than the direct stimuli, if an artificial glia were to be programmed using statistical functions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glia
> Who knows. This is only a conjecture, currently.
Indeed :/ it’s something that I’ve been thinking about for a while, but I’m a busy software development professional, not a professional academic.
I’ve got to run some errands for the day, but I would be stoked to continue this conversation.
Perhaps we can build up some sort of testable conjecture.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5y agoIf you would like to turn your ideas into a scientific investigation (for example, by coming up with a testable conjecture) the first thing to do is to clarify your terminology. Not necessarily to bring it in line with established terminology, although personally I don't like the proliferation of terms. But at least, you would need to pin down what you mean by neologisms such as "artificial glia" and the neoteric use of "engram" in the context of ANNs. Establishing clear terminology will help you tremendously to minimise the potential for misunderstanding of your ideas. I think you're proposing a collaboration? I'm afraid I must very firmly discourage it. I'm currently writing my thesis and cannot justify any work outside of it. HN is a guilty pleasure that I really shouldn't be indulging in. But, thank you for the proposal, I'm flattered.
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 5y ago> I think you're proposing a collaboration? I'm afraid I must very firmly discourage it. I'm currently writing my thesis and cannot justify any work outside of it. Completely understood. Perhaps when you are tenured I will finally have gotten around to studying doctoral psychology and you would be able to peruse my master’s thesis. I too am flattered that a doctoral student had the time to consider my thoughts. If I do formulate some operational definitions in the not-too-distant future, would you mind if I sent them to you in an email for critique, at your leisure?
- YeGoblynQueenne 5y agoYou're welcomed to do so- see my signature for email address.