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isn't omikron acting like a vaccine anyway ? with its astounding spread, everyone will have been contaminated anyway. And it seems that natural immunity is as g

by bsaul 5y ago

isn't omikron acting like a vaccine anyway ? with its astounding spread, everyone will have been contaminated anyway. And it seems that natural immunity is as good if not better than mrna induced immunity ( although i'm not sure if it's controversial or not).

bobdobbs666 5y ago
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- Hypocritelefty 5y ago
  - high_pathetic 5y ago
    Source?
- qeternity 5y ago
  "I don't have the study in front of me, so let me make some numbers up." This is not even remotely true. If you'd like to read an actual study that shows the opposite, here you go from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM73434&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2071%2C%20January%2019%2C%202022&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM73434 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm... Studying infections as they occur is extremely difficult. People who get vaccinated take greater precautions than those who don't. People who get infected take greater risks, and those who are unvaccinated and have been infected are the greatest risk takers of all. Breakthrough infection rate has more to do with cohort behavior than efficacy of natural vs vaccine. The biggest advantage a vaccine has is repeated exposure to viral material without illness and risk of death. But ultimately the vaccine is just trying to trick your body into creating natural immunity.
  - dtech 5y ago
    Note that this study uses data from May-November 2021, so it doesn't cover Omicron. Data on omicron is scarce still.
- eps 5y ago
  As an anecdotal data point - my kid had the Covid twice, not a year apart between the infections. Both times very mild, but still.
bakuninsbart 5y ago
Omikron is milder on average. I had it in February, was hit really hard for 4 days, and then I was more or less good again. But I still have lingering problems like short-breath and heart palpitations, which I am currently in the process of getting diagnosed. Could for example be a myocarditis, or just the typical unspecific "long covid" symptoms resulting from damage to nerves and tissue. Vaccines can have long-term side-effects, too, but in all likelihood at much lower levels. And the hospitalisation rates for Omikron are still way too high compared to how fast it spreads, at least for most healthcare systems.
- yiyv 5y ago
  I got my result today morning +ve. Fever wasn’t breaking since last 3 days. It remained 102-103.5F. Today it came down to 99.5F. No other symptoms so far, except on and off body ache and headache. I hope I get better without having to visit a hospital. What should I get tested for after getting better? Did you go for this as routine checkup or after some symptoms, or you wanted to see what damage was caused by COVID?
  - bakuninsbart 5y ago
    As is tradition, covid hit me at the absolute worst time, 2 weeks before the end of a project, so I was really stressed out while/after having it. At first I attributed the lingering symptoms like groggyness and irregular/loud heartbeat just to stress, but since it persisted now for 2+ weeks after the end of the most stressful time, I got a bit suspicious and contacted my GP. I'm gonna do an electrocardiogram next week, and based on that the GP might do some other tests. So you should listen to your body and try to have little stress, no drinking, no hard sports for a few weeks, and contact your GP if you don't feel good.
    - yiyv 5y ago
      My GP has already prescribed me a chest CT scan as my fever basically didn’t budge for 3.5 days with paracetamol and NISE as well. My CRP was elevated as well. Now fever is down. My 5th day of symptoms today. I’m going to repeat CRP and then additionally do a chest CT scan today. She will see whether all is well or almost well with me or do I need specific care as of now or later as part of recovery. I think I technically I am still a covid patient. And god, why is it difficult for every doctor out there to understand and accept that my “normal body temperature is below 98.6 F”!!
orra 5y ago
Even if surviving infection confers immunity similar to one vaccination dose, that's not enough. COVID is so virulent and severe that you want multiple vaccine doses.
- astrange 5y ago
  1 covid + 1 vaccine seems to be the "best" exposure, since the vaccine only has spike, but the obvious downside is that you catch covid which you really should avoid if you can. However, it does seem like it's not necessary to make people get 2-3 vaccines if they caught it.
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by bsaul 5y ago

bobdobbs666 5y ago

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Hypocritelefty 5y ago
- high_pathetic 5y ago
  Source?
qeternity 5y ago
"I don't have the study in front of me, so let me make some numbers up." This is not even remotely true. If you'd like to read an actual study that shows the opposite, here you go from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM73434&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2071%2C%20January%2019%2C%202022&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM73434 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm... Studying infections as they occur is extremely difficult. People who get vaccinated take greater precautions than those who don't. People who get infected take greater risks, and those who are unvaccinated and have been infected are the greatest risk takers of all. Breakthrough infection rate has more to do with cohort behavior than efficacy of natural vs vaccine. The biggest advantage a vaccine has is repeated exposure to viral material without illness and risk of death. But ultimately the vaccine is just trying to trick your body into creating natural immunity.
- dtech 5y ago
  Note that this study uses data from May-November 2021, so it doesn't cover Omicron. Data on omicron is scarce still.
eps 5y ago
As an anecdotal data point - my kid had the Covid twice, not a year apart between the infections. Both times very mild, but still.

bakuninsbart 5y ago

Omikron is milder on average. I had it in February, was hit really hard for 4 days, and then I was more or less good again. But I still have lingering problems like short-breath and heart palpitations, which I am currently in the process of getting diagnosed. Could for example be a myocarditis, or just the typical unspecific "long covid" symptoms resulting from damage to nerves and tissue. Vaccines can have long-term side-effects, too, but in all likelihood at much lower levels. And the hospitalisation rates for Omikron are still way too high compared to how fast it spreads, at least for most healthcare systems.

yiyv 5y ago
I got my result today morning +ve. Fever wasn’t breaking since last 3 days. It remained 102-103.5F. Today it came down to 99.5F. No other symptoms so far, except on and off body ache and headache. I hope I get better without having to visit a hospital. What should I get tested for after getting better? Did you go for this as routine checkup or after some symptoms, or you wanted to see what damage was caused by COVID?
- bakuninsbart 5y ago
  As is tradition, covid hit me at the absolute worst time, 2 weeks before the end of a project, so I was really stressed out while/after having it. At first I attributed the lingering symptoms like groggyness and irregular/loud heartbeat just to stress, but since it persisted now for 2+ weeks after the end of the most stressful time, I got a bit suspicious and contacted my GP. I'm gonna do an electrocardiogram next week, and based on that the GP might do some other tests. So you should listen to your body and try to have little stress, no drinking, no hard sports for a few weeks, and contact your GP if you don't feel good.
  - yiyv 5y ago
    My GP has already prescribed me a chest CT scan as my fever basically didn’t budge for 3.5 days with paracetamol and NISE as well. My CRP was elevated as well. Now fever is down. My 5th day of symptoms today. I’m going to repeat CRP and then additionally do a chest CT scan today. She will see whether all is well or almost well with me or do I need specific care as of now or later as part of recovery. I think I technically I am still a covid patient. And god, why is it difficult for every doctor out there to understand and accept that my “normal body temperature is below 98.6 F”!!

orra 5y ago

Even if surviving infection confers immunity similar to one vaccination dose, that's not enough. COVID is so virulent and severe that you want multiple vaccine doses.

astrange 5y ago
1 covid + 1 vaccine seems to be the "best" exposure, since the vaccine only has spike, but the obvious downside is that you catch covid which you really should avoid if you can. However, it does seem like it's not necessary to make people get 2-3 vaccines if they caught it.

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