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Drone crashed in Zagreb, Croatia “flew 47mins unidentified over NATO skies”

giuliomagnifico 5y ago
> “Therefore, we know where the object flew from, we had no advance warning. The drone flew over Hungary for over 40 minutes, it was less than seven minutes in the Croatian air space, and crashed in the Jarun neighbourhood, fortunately with no casualties. This is a serious incident according to information we have” > how is it possible that nobody undertook anything in other NATO member states over which the drone flew, President Milanović replied: “This is currently the object of a serious investigation in the states over which this drone flew for a long period of time. It was in Croatian air space briefly, therefore the question is, given the quality of the equipment we have could we have done anything?” More info about the incident: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44697/ukrainian-tu-141-strizh-missile-like-drone-appears-to-have-crashed-in-croatia https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44697/ukrainian-tu-141...
- mateo1 5y ago
  Could it be that it was detected yet ignored as to render the Russian air defence pentest useless?
  - yrgulation 5y ago
    I dont think nato has deployed such advanced sensors to east europe. At the end of the day its those countries responsibility to be the first line of defence, and i am afraid their military looks much like russia’s, but western equipment. If i am wrong, which I hope i am, then it would be clever to not shoot it down as to not reveal turret locations.
    - rasz 5y ago
      There have been AVACS flying along Polish Ukr border for the last two weeks https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/awacs https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/awacs
      - yrgulation 5y ago
        Thanks for the link - turns out i was, thankfully, wrong. In romania they’ve also been monitoring the drone for about 3 minutes - 23.23 - 23.36 EET on the 10th of march. It then left its airspace for Hungary. The ministry of defence claims that due to a low altitude, weather and landscape they couldnt perform more accurate identification. At least thats what i am reading in romanian language media.
  - kavalg 5y ago
    That would be a very risky maneuver, given that NATO didn't know the payload in advance. And if it did, them risking the lives of EU citizens in order not to reveal air defense capabilities is a reckless move that I, as a EU citizen don't like at all. Also, for the the "casual" EU observer this situation raises questions about the ability of NATO's air defenses. On the other hand, if it was a Russian "pentest", why would Russians put a bomb in it? That would only draw NATO even more into the conflict, of which the only one to take advantage will be Ukrainian forces. I don't dare to even think that this was a provocation from Ukraine, but I am really in doubt now on what actually happened.
themodelplumber 5y ago
Glad everybody's safe! These are pretty interesting aircraft, turbojet drones: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=2456 https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft... https://avia-pro.net/blog/tu-141 https://avia-pro.net/blog/tu-141 - designed to undertake reconnaissance missions several hundred kilometers behind the front lines at transonic speeds - Production 1979–1989, retired in RUS 1989; left in place where previously deployed for potential use in conflict (UKR); used by UKR in 2014 UKR-RUS conflict - 1000+ km/h variable speed - Variable recon payload can include e.g. photography, imaging radar, radiation detection, laser designator - Parachute recovery (brake + landing parachutes) to three-skid landing - Solid propellant booster used for takeoff - Folding wings for transport - Complete system includes "POD-3 data processing and decoding centre" - Service ceiling just under 20,000 ft. - Minimum flight altitude ~150 ft. - Range around 540 nautical miles - 1h endurance I'd love to see examples of the intelligence products from one of these, the programming method, etc.

> “Therefore, we know where the object flew from, we had no advance warning. The drone flew over Hungary for over 40 minutes, it was less than seven minutes in the Croatian air space, and crashed in the Jarun neighbourhood, fortunately with no casualties. This is a serious incident according to information we have” > how is it possible that nobody undertook anything in other NATO member states over which the drone flew, President Milanović replied: “This is currently the object of a serious investigation in the states over which this drone flew for a long period of time. It was in Croatian air space briefly, therefore the question is, given the quality of the equipment we have could we have done anything?” More info about the incident: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44697/ukrainian-tu-141-strizh-missile-like-drone-appears-to-have-crashed-in-croatia https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44697/ukrainian-tu-141...

mateo1 5y ago
Could it be that it was detected yet ignored as to render the Russian air defence pentest useless?
- yrgulation 5y ago
  I dont think nato has deployed such advanced sensors to east europe. At the end of the day its those countries responsibility to be the first line of defence, and i am afraid their military looks much like russia’s, but western equipment. If i am wrong, which I hope i am, then it would be clever to not shoot it down as to not reveal turret locations.
  - rasz 5y ago
    There have been AVACS flying along Polish Ukr border for the last two weeks https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/awacs https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/awacs
    - yrgulation 5y ago
      Thanks for the link - turns out i was, thankfully, wrong. In romania they’ve also been monitoring the drone for about 3 minutes - 23.23 - 23.36 EET on the 10th of march. It then left its airspace for Hungary. The ministry of defence claims that due to a low altitude, weather and landscape they couldnt perform more accurate identification. At least thats what i am reading in romanian language media.
- kavalg 5y ago
  That would be a very risky maneuver, given that NATO didn't know the payload in advance. And if it did, them risking the lives of EU citizens in order not to reveal air defense capabilities is a reckless move that I, as a EU citizen don't like at all. Also, for the the "casual" EU observer this situation raises questions about the ability of NATO's air defenses. On the other hand, if it was a Russian "pentest", why would Russians put a bomb in it? That would only draw NATO even more into the conflict, of which the only one to take advantage will be Ukrainian forces. I don't dare to even think that this was a provocation from Ukraine, but I am really in doubt now on what actually happened.

themodelplumber 5y ago

Glad everybody's safe! These are pretty interesting aircraft, turbojet drones: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=2456 https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft... https://avia-pro.net/blog/tu-141 https://avia-pro.net/blog/tu-141 - designed to undertake reconnaissance missions several hundred kilometers behind the front lines at transonic speeds - Production 1979–1989, retired in RUS 1989; left in place where previously deployed for potential use in conflict (UKR); used by UKR in 2014 UKR-RUS conflict - 1000+ km/h variable speed - Variable recon payload can include e.g. photography, imaging radar, radiation detection, laser designator - Parachute recovery (brake + landing parachutes) to three-skid landing - Solid propellant booster used for takeoff - Folding wings for transport - Complete system includes "POD-3 data processing and decoding centre" - Service ceiling just under 20,000 ft. - Minimum flight altitude ~150 ft. - Range around 540 nautical miles - 1h endurance I'd love to see examples of the intelligence products from one of these, the programming method, etc.