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Apples and oranges. Something being driven 10k miles a year is being used for daily life activities, something being driven 100 miles is not. Consider what job

by npunt 5y ago

Apples and oranges. Something being driven 10k miles a year is being used for daily life activities, something being driven 100 miles is not. Consider what job it's doing, not what arbitrary market category it fits in.

munk-a 5y ago
What, exactly, is the car that's being driven for 100 miles doing? Is it something the 10k mile car couldn't do even better? Is it something that even legitimately needs to be done? I agree this is a thing that can be done, but I disagree it's a job that it's doing - because stating its a job usually means there is some ultimate purpose to it.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  It's really, really, really common to have single purpose trucks that go about that far. Site-specific fuel trucks, plow trucks, etc.
- npunt 5y ago
  I'm responding more to the point that gas taxes are some kind of effective solution and that category-based comparison is even relevant. Climate change demands we think outside categories and see what kinds of 'jobs to be done' we have to meet our needs and thrive, and then look at all available options to lower carbon footprint around those[1]. And look at some of these 'jobs' as less valuable than others, e.g. conspicuous consumption vs commuting to work to feed your family. Also a more specific issue here is car manufacturing itself is like 25% of the carbon footprint of a vehicle, so regardless of use it's still doing damage. [1] e.g. a solution may be that we take public transport, or micromobility, or relocate so we don't need to drive as far, or videoconference, or any number of other things that examine the full range of options we have to reach the goal.
  - eru 5y ago
    Having bureaucrats look at 'jobs to be done' sounds awfully intrusive and inefficient, and needlessly morally arbitrary. Just do a gas tax (or carbon tax) and be done with it. If you are worried about some specific use cases, just give those deserving people money so they can pay their taxes with that.
  - kortilla 5y ago
    > Climate change demands we think outside categories and see what kinds of 'jobs to be done' we have to meet our needs and thrive No it doesn’t. That is what authoritarians do under the guise of climate change when they just want control. Climate change demands we reduce CO2 in aggregate. It is better to tax all gas equally to force a reduction in its use and keep increasing the tax until its emissions are negligible. No exceptions, full stop.
- 55873445216111 5y ago
  "legitimately needs to be done" - who decides what is "legitimate"?
- eru 5y ago
  > What, exactly, is the car that's being driven for 100 miles doing? Is it something the 10k mile car couldn't do even better? Being faster? Being more fun? Giving you social status in your in-group?

by npunt 5y ago

munk-a 5y ago

What, exactly, is the car that's being driven for 100 miles doing? Is it something the 10k mile car couldn't do even better? Is it something that even legitimately needs to be done? I agree this is a thing that can be done, but I disagree it's a job that it's doing - because stating its a job usually means there is some ultimate purpose to it.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
It's really, really, really common to have single purpose trucks that go about that far. Site-specific fuel trucks, plow trucks, etc.
npunt 5y ago
I'm responding more to the point that gas taxes are some kind of effective solution and that category-based comparison is even relevant. Climate change demands we think outside categories and see what kinds of 'jobs to be done' we have to meet our needs and thrive, and then look at all available options to lower carbon footprint around those[1]. And look at some of these 'jobs' as less valuable than others, e.g. conspicuous consumption vs commuting to work to feed your family. Also a more specific issue here is car manufacturing itself is like 25% of the carbon footprint of a vehicle, so regardless of use it's still doing damage. [1] e.g. a solution may be that we take public transport, or micromobility, or relocate so we don't need to drive as far, or videoconference, or any number of other things that examine the full range of options we have to reach the goal.
- eru 5y ago
  Having bureaucrats look at 'jobs to be done' sounds awfully intrusive and inefficient, and needlessly morally arbitrary. Just do a gas tax (or carbon tax) and be done with it. If you are worried about some specific use cases, just give those deserving people money so they can pay their taxes with that.
- kortilla 5y ago
  > Climate change demands we think outside categories and see what kinds of 'jobs to be done' we have to meet our needs and thrive No it doesn’t. That is what authoritarians do under the guise of climate change when they just want control. Climate change demands we reduce CO2 in aggregate. It is better to tax all gas equally to force a reduction in its use and keep increasing the tax until its emissions are negligible. No exceptions, full stop.
55873445216111 5y ago
"legitimately needs to be done" - who decides what is "legitimate"?
eru 5y ago
> What, exactly, is the car that's being driven for 100 miles doing? Is it something the 10k mile car couldn't do even better? Being faster? Being more fun? Giving you social status in your in-group?