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Funny, living in cities that prioritize other modes of transport (biking, buses, trains, etc) has drastically improved my quality of life, as opposed to places

Funny, living in cities that prioritize other modes of transport (biking, buses, trains, etc) has drastically improved my quality of life, as opposed to places that prioritize cars and inevitably end up being traffic-locked hellholes.

systemvoltage 5y ago
I use public transportation as well. But I don't gawk at people that have Ferraris in disgust.
- reanimus 5y ago
  1) this isn't a Ferrari, the article literally describes this car as an anti-Prius 2) even the most polluting Ferrari, which according to this page (1) emits 385g/km , is still almost a quarter less polluting than this car (506 g/km according to the article) (1) https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mpg-figures?CarType=&Manufacturer=&Model=&CO2To=&EquaMpgFrom=&SortBy=CO2&SortDesc=true&FuelType= https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mp...
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Wait until you hear about this that enables a $2 Trillion dollar company and probably 95% of everything you own in your living room: https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/shipping-emissions-17-global-co2-making-it-elephant-climate-negotiations-room/ https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/shipping-emiss... But hey look! That one car! Fuck that in particular.
    - eru 5y ago
      You quote those 95% as if it was a bad thing? If anything, the more stuff they give everyone, the better their emissions look relatively.
    - reanimus 5y ago
      Yes? An individual can't choose to revolutionize the shipping industry themselves but they sure as hell can choose a car that's not as polluting and less of a hazard to pedestrians. That's very much a personal choice that I'm happy to judge.
      - systemvoltage 5y ago
        > An individual can't choose to revolutionize the shipping industry Yes, but this entire thread is about de-revolutionizing the car industry. People in China and India would like to have a word with us. We should be working on sequestrating CO2 from the atmosphere using novel means (Solar, Nuclear), making breakthroughs in efficiency and promoting domestic manufacturing. I don't have the answers. I am just pointing out the double-standards that are hidden behind massive sweeping statements like "Ban all cars". These discussions tend to be about one-upping each other instead of discussing fundamental issues and solving them. It is mostly political, not objective and shying away from confronting reality.
        reanimus 5y ago
        > Yes, but this entire thread is about de-revolutionizing the car industry How is it de-revolutionizing to optimize away from massive, wasteful cars like this and towards more efficient cars -- or perhaps even systems where personal cars are done away with entirely as a necessity? > People in China and India would like to have a word with us. India has roughly half of the country not owning a car, and the US, Japan, and Mexico all manufacture more cars than them. Not sure what bone they'd have to pick in this fight other than you assuming they're invested in manufacturing cars? > We should be working on sequestrating CO2 from the atmosphere using novel means (Solar, Nuclear), making breakthroughs in efficiency and promoting domestic manufacturing. All true, but we can do all those while also disincentivizing wasteful cars like the one described in the article that serve as nothing more than dangerous, pedestrian-killing status symbols.
whatshisface 5y ago
Living in cities that make you want to bike is good, you're choosing to bike and that means you're happier biking than driving. Living in a city based around driving when the government tries to ban ICEs is bad, because you wish you were allowed to drive. Good policy finds a way to align top-down directives with bottom-up preferences.
- tobylane 5y ago
  Cities that promote cycling can often be better for the remaining drivers.
refurb 5y ago
So you’re trying impose your lifestyle on others because it works for you? No thanks!
- reanimus 5y ago
  Interestingly, when we live in a society where people disagree, this is exactly the way you can frame any policy you disagree with. Car owners have imposed their lifestyles on me my entire life. See? :)
  - refurb 5y ago
    Who is forcing you to drive a car? Didn’t you just say you didn’t?
    - em-bee 5y ago
      lack of public transportation, sidewalks and bikepaths, making cars the only option to get around.
      - refurb 5y ago
        Right, but not forced since OP literally said "Funny, living in cities that prioritize other modes of transport (biking, buses, trains, etc) has drastically improved my quality of life"
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        em-bee 5y ago
        it's forced since i need to live where the jobs are, and kids who can't drive need to live where their parents are. we all need to be able live together, and just as a completely carless city is unrealistic, a car only city is no better, but the latter unfortunately is often the reality.
Zpalmtree 5y ago
Neat!

systemvoltage 5y ago

I use public transportation as well. But I don't gawk at people that have Ferraris in disgust.

reanimus 5y ago
1) this isn't a Ferrari, the article literally describes this car as an anti-Prius 2) even the most polluting Ferrari, which according to this page (1) emits 385g/km , is still almost a quarter less polluting than this car (506 g/km according to the article) (1) https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mpg-figures?CarType=&Manufacturer=&Model=&CO2To=&EquaMpgFrom=&SortBy=CO2&SortDesc=true&FuelType= https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mp...
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Wait until you hear about this that enables a $2 Trillion dollar company and probably 95% of everything you own in your living room: https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/shipping-emissions-17-global-co2-making-it-elephant-climate-negotiations-room/ https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/shipping-emiss... But hey look! That one car! Fuck that in particular.
  - eru 5y ago
    You quote those 95% as if it was a bad thing? If anything, the more stuff they give everyone, the better their emissions look relatively.
  - reanimus 5y ago
    Yes? An individual can't choose to revolutionize the shipping industry themselves but they sure as hell can choose a car that's not as polluting and less of a hazard to pedestrians. That's very much a personal choice that I'm happy to judge.
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      > An individual can't choose to revolutionize the shipping industry Yes, but this entire thread is about de-revolutionizing the car industry. People in China and India would like to have a word with us. We should be working on sequestrating CO2 from the atmosphere using novel means (Solar, Nuclear), making breakthroughs in efficiency and promoting domestic manufacturing. I don't have the answers. I am just pointing out the double-standards that are hidden behind massive sweeping statements like "Ban all cars". These discussions tend to be about one-upping each other instead of discussing fundamental issues and solving them. It is mostly political, not objective and shying away from confronting reality.
      - reanimus 5y ago
        > Yes, but this entire thread is about de-revolutionizing the car industry How is it de-revolutionizing to optimize away from massive, wasteful cars like this and towards more efficient cars -- or perhaps even systems where personal cars are done away with entirely as a necessity? > People in China and India would like to have a word with us. India has roughly half of the country not owning a car, and the US, Japan, and Mexico all manufacture more cars than them. Not sure what bone they'd have to pick in this fight other than you assuming they're invested in manufacturing cars? > We should be working on sequestrating CO2 from the atmosphere using novel means (Solar, Nuclear), making breakthroughs in efficiency and promoting domestic manufacturing. All true, but we can do all those while also disincentivizing wasteful cars like the one described in the article that serve as nothing more than dangerous, pedestrian-killing status symbols.

whatshisface 5y ago

Living in cities that make you want to bike is good, you're choosing to bike and that means you're happier biking than driving. Living in a city based around driving when the government tries to ban ICEs is bad, because you wish you were allowed to drive. Good policy finds a way to align top-down directives with bottom-up preferences.

tobylane 5y ago
Cities that promote cycling can often be better for the remaining drivers.

refurb 5y ago

So you’re trying impose your lifestyle on others because it works for you? No thanks!

reanimus 5y ago
Interestingly, when we live in a society where people disagree, this is exactly the way you can frame any policy you disagree with. Car owners have imposed their lifestyles on me my entire life. See? :)
- refurb 5y ago
  Who is forcing you to drive a car? Didn’t you just say you didn’t?
  - em-bee 5y ago
    lack of public transportation, sidewalks and bikepaths, making cars the only option to get around.
    - refurb 5y ago
      Right, but not forced since OP literally said "Funny, living in cities that prioritize other modes of transport (biking, buses, trains, etc) has drastically improved my quality of life"
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      - em-bee 5y ago
        it's forced since i need to live where the jobs are, and kids who can't drive need to live where their parents are. we all need to be able live together, and just as a completely carless city is unrealistic, a car only city is no better, but the latter unfortunately is often the reality.

Zpalmtree 5y ago

Neat!