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> The goal isn't to be accurate, the goal is to stop criminals. The prime identifying characteristic of a police state.

by nybble41 5y ago

Mouse47 5y ago
Yawn. Let's bring the theatrics down a notch
- nybble41 5y ago
  No theatrics, just facts.
bena 5y ago
Let me clarify: the goal isn't to charge a criminal with the exact crime they've committed, the goal is to make everything necessary to committing crimes also illegal so they can get the criminal on something.
- nybble41 5y ago
  Same thing. You're punishing people whom you haven't convicted of doing anything harmful just to make the police's job easier, without regard for justice or proportionality. That is how a police state operates.
  - bena 5y ago
    It's entirely with regard for justice. That's the goal. You're looking for ways to evade justice. It's evident in your choice of words. You're concerned with conviction of something harmful. The harm they committed was in the other crimes. They should evade punishment for that because they managed to hide it well?
    - nybble41 5y ago
      > It's entirely with regard for justice. That's the goal. Your ends may be laudable but your means are immoral. The ends do not justify the means. > You're concerned with conviction of something harmful. The harm they committed was in the other crimes. They should evade punishment for that because they managed to hide it well? You say they're evading punishment "because they managed to hide it well" but the fact remains that you were never able to prove they actually did anything worthy of being punished for in the first place. Don't you see the obvious error in that? The only thing you actually know is that their financial transactions were not documented to your satisfaction. In effect you're demanding that they prove their innocence, whereas in a just system one is innocent until proven guilty.

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> The goal isn't to be accurate, the goal is to stop criminals. The prime identifying characteristic of a police state.

by nybble41 5y ago

> The goal isn't to be accurate, the goal is to stop criminals. The prime identifying characteristic of a police state.

Mouse47 5y ago
Yawn. Let's bring the theatrics down a notch
- nybble41 5y ago
  No theatrics, just facts.
bena 5y ago
Let me clarify: the goal isn't to charge a criminal with the exact crime they've committed, the goal is to make everything necessary to committing crimes also illegal so they can get the criminal on something.
- nybble41 5y ago
  Same thing. You're punishing people whom you haven't convicted of doing anything harmful just to make the police's job easier, without regard for justice or proportionality. That is how a police state operates.
  - bena 5y ago
    It's entirely with regard for justice. That's the goal. You're looking for ways to evade justice. It's evident in your choice of words. You're concerned with conviction of something harmful. The harm they committed was in the other crimes. They should evade punishment for that because they managed to hide it well?
    - nybble41 5y ago
      > It's entirely with regard for justice. That's the goal. Your ends may be laudable but your means are immoral. The ends do not justify the means. > You're concerned with conviction of something harmful. The harm they committed was in the other crimes. They should evade punishment for that because they managed to hide it well? You say they're evading punishment "because they managed to hide it well" but the fact remains that you were never able to prove they actually did anything worthy of being punished for in the first place. Don't you see the obvious error in that? The only thing you actually know is that their financial transactions were not documented to your satisfaction. In effect you're demanding that they prove their innocence, whereas in a just system one is innocent until proven guilty.