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1 gallon of gas puts out 19 pounds of CO2, so this equates to about 10.5 mpg which actually sounds reasonable for a 1000 HP supertruck that weighs 7800 lbs. A s

1 gallon of gas puts out 19 pounds of CO2, so this equates to about 10.5 mpg which actually sounds reasonable for a 1000 HP supertruck that weighs 7800 lbs. A stock Ford F-250 only gets 16 mpg for reference.

FastMonkey 5y ago
I'd argue it's ordinary rather than reasonable. It seems like the tax is fair, you can import a 1000hp beast for personal use and get taxed heavily, or you can import it for whatever sort of haulage you need a 1000hp pickup truck for and you're limited by the rules of other haulage trucks.
- cmeacham98 5y ago
  I think they don't mean it's a reasonable emission, they mean it's a reasonable statistic (i.e. it's likely not made up or miscalculated).
  - FastMonkey 5y ago
    I understand. On the team I'm on right now, we're trying to make some large changes, and some of that has to do with challenging assumptions. I'm just primed to see things like "10 weeks is a reasonable amount of time for Y" as a check point to ask whether it's actually reasonable, or whether we've fallen into a pattern that we've stopped questioning.
londons_explore 5y ago
Pretty much everything in Europe thats gas powered gets 50+ mpg... Or is electric... They've adapted to high fuel costs!
- mywittyname 5y ago
  You mean prices drive consumer behavior?!?!?! Amazing.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  The best selling truck in Europe (Ford Ranger) gets 22mpg, so it isn't that far off from the standard American truck (Ford F-150, getting 20 mpg).
  - herbstein 5y ago
    You barely see trucks here, compared to how popular they are in the US. Looking up a "best selling trucks in EU" would very much give you a skewed perception.
    - yason 5y ago
      The best selling pick-up truck in Finland is Toyota Hilux and new annual registrations are counted in... hundreds.
  - GordonS 5y ago
    Surprised it's not the Toyota Hilux, it's been around forever and I see them all the time. I very rarely see a Ford Ranger.
  - kuang_eleven 5y ago
    Now you're just reminding me how much Ford massacred my boy... Ford Rangers used to be the stripped down compact pickup actually useful as a light truck, and now it's just another oversized behemoth... The Maverick should be the new version of that... if it actually offered any practical options!
    - kybernetyk 5y ago
      >and now it's just another oversized behemoth... Yup, whenever I see one here (in Germany) I wonder why not go the Full Size Pickup way? I mean the modern Rangers are as tall as my RAM 1500 anyway and only a little narrower. But narrow enough to make them look awkward. It's like only 20cm I would guess. I also wonder why no manufacturer brings a full size pickup model to the Euro market. At this point mid sized trucks aren't that much smaller and me daily driving an imported RAM 1500 I can say that German cities/roads aren't too small for full size pickups. (DHL Delivery vans are larger yet still fit everywhere). Oh and the really cool mid sized trucks aren't here either. (I'd kill for a TRD Tacoma).
- chroma 5y ago
  You can't directly compare EU versus US mileage numbers.[1] A lot of conversions from liters per mile to miles per gallon use UK gallons, which are 1.2x larger than US gallons. Also the EU mileage tests are less taxing on vehicles and easier to game. In actual driving you're unlikely to hit EPA numbers, and there's almost no way to get to the EU numbers. Typically, European cars get 30-45% higher fuel consumption than their test ratings.[2] The gap has gotten bigger as car manufacturers have gotten better at gaming the test. There's no special technology in EU cars that makes them get better mileage than their US counterparts. Europeans just tend to drive smaller vehicles, many of which wouldn't pass crash tests in the US. For example, the Smart Fortwo had to be increased in length to pass US crash tests. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-european-gas-mileage-ratings-are-inflated-2014-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-european-gas-mileage-rat... 2. https://theicct.org/press-release-gap-between-reported-and-actual-fuel-economy-higher-than-ever-before/ https://theicct.org/press-release-gap-between-reported-and-a...
  - pyrale 5y ago
    50mpg is a pretty reasonable number still, from my use statistics. > many of which wouldn't pass crash tests in the US. For example, the Smart Fortwo had to be increased in length to pass US crash tests. The smart isn't really a common car in Europe. As for crash tests, some US vehicles wouldn't pass EU tests either. The two regulations test for different properties, and manufacturers optimize for that. As for actual safety, trafic fatality is equivalent or better in Europe, especially for people not inside a car.
  - hetspookjee 5y ago
    Most modern cars are easily able to hit the epa rating for highway when use cruise control at 100kmh. City is vastly more challenging.
bitexploder 5y ago
My diesel f250 (2021) was doing 17-19 hwy before mods. Quite impressive for 500hp/1000ftlb tq vehicle :)
pyrale 5y ago
> which actually sounds reasonable for a 1000 HP supertruck that weighs 7800 lbs. I can't wait for the day people will have decided they need a vehicle so heavy that an airliner mpg actually sounds reasonable for a car.
- dataflow 5y ago
  > I can't wait for the day people will have decided they need a vehicle so heavy that an airliner mpg actually sounds reasonable for a car. Airliners are pretty darn fuel-efficient, more efficient than even many lightweight cars. (Assuming you don't leave seats empty, that is.) As of 2017 [1]: "Domestic airliner can get anywhere from 45.5 to 77.6 miles per gallon per passenger, with an industry average of about 51 miles per gallon of fuel per passenger." For comparison, the average car gets something like 25-30 MPG, so airliners are some 2x more efficient. [1] https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ask-mr-green/whats-better-for-environment-driving-or-flying https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ask-mr-green/whats-better-...
  - pyrale 5y ago
    The average car also comes with 4 seats, which theoretically puts them below an airliner. But my joke was about the plane fuel use, not per-passenger.
  - hetspookjee 5y ago
    What average car are you talking about ? 9.5l / 100km is attrocious and average in 2005. A starlet from 1998 gets better fuel economy already. And so does a Volvo v40 2.0 turbo. I believe a 1800kg modern day M3 sports car already gets better fuel economy than a plane if you seat it with 3 people.
    - dataflow 5y ago
      > What average car are you talking about? https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10310 https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10310
      - 5y ago

FastMonkey 5y ago

I'd argue it's ordinary rather than reasonable. It seems like the tax is fair, you can import a 1000hp beast for personal use and get taxed heavily, or you can import it for whatever sort of haulage you need a 1000hp pickup truck for and you're limited by the rules of other haulage trucks.

cmeacham98 5y ago
I think they don't mean it's a reasonable emission, they mean it's a reasonable statistic (i.e. it's likely not made up or miscalculated).
- FastMonkey 5y ago
  I understand. On the team I'm on right now, we're trying to make some large changes, and some of that has to do with challenging assumptions. I'm just primed to see things like "10 weeks is a reasonable amount of time for Y" as a check point to ask whether it's actually reasonable, or whether we've fallen into a pattern that we've stopped questioning.

londons_explore 5y ago

Pretty much everything in Europe thats gas powered gets 50+ mpg... Or is electric... They've adapted to high fuel costs!

mywittyname 5y ago
You mean prices drive consumer behavior?!?!?! Amazing.
oh_sigh 5y ago
The best selling truck in Europe (Ford Ranger) gets 22mpg, so it isn't that far off from the standard American truck (Ford F-150, getting 20 mpg).
- herbstein 5y ago
  You barely see trucks here, compared to how popular they are in the US. Looking up a "best selling trucks in EU" would very much give you a skewed perception.
  - yason 5y ago
    The best selling pick-up truck in Finland is Toyota Hilux and new annual registrations are counted in... hundreds.
- GordonS 5y ago
  Surprised it's not the Toyota Hilux, it's been around forever and I see them all the time. I very rarely see a Ford Ranger.
- kuang_eleven 5y ago
  Now you're just reminding me how much Ford massacred my boy... Ford Rangers used to be the stripped down compact pickup actually useful as a light truck, and now it's just another oversized behemoth... The Maverick should be the new version of that... if it actually offered any practical options!
  - kybernetyk 5y ago
    >and now it's just another oversized behemoth... Yup, whenever I see one here (in Germany) I wonder why not go the Full Size Pickup way? I mean the modern Rangers are as tall as my RAM 1500 anyway and only a little narrower. But narrow enough to make them look awkward. It's like only 20cm I would guess. I also wonder why no manufacturer brings a full size pickup model to the Euro market. At this point mid sized trucks aren't that much smaller and me daily driving an imported RAM 1500 I can say that German cities/roads aren't too small for full size pickups. (DHL Delivery vans are larger yet still fit everywhere). Oh and the really cool mid sized trucks aren't here either. (I'd kill for a TRD Tacoma).
chroma 5y ago
You can't directly compare EU versus US mileage numbers.[1] A lot of conversions from liters per mile to miles per gallon use UK gallons, which are 1.2x larger than US gallons. Also the EU mileage tests are less taxing on vehicles and easier to game. In actual driving you're unlikely to hit EPA numbers, and there's almost no way to get to the EU numbers. Typically, European cars get 30-45% higher fuel consumption than their test ratings.[2] The gap has gotten bigger as car manufacturers have gotten better at gaming the test. There's no special technology in EU cars that makes them get better mileage than their US counterparts. Europeans just tend to drive smaller vehicles, many of which wouldn't pass crash tests in the US. For example, the Smart Fortwo had to be increased in length to pass US crash tests. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-european-gas-mileage-ratings-are-inflated-2014-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-european-gas-mileage-rat... 2. https://theicct.org/press-release-gap-between-reported-and-actual-fuel-economy-higher-than-ever-before/ https://theicct.org/press-release-gap-between-reported-and-a...
- pyrale 5y ago
  50mpg is a pretty reasonable number still, from my use statistics. > many of which wouldn't pass crash tests in the US. For example, the Smart Fortwo had to be increased in length to pass US crash tests. The smart isn't really a common car in Europe. As for crash tests, some US vehicles wouldn't pass EU tests either. The two regulations test for different properties, and manufacturers optimize for that. As for actual safety, trafic fatality is equivalent or better in Europe, especially for people not inside a car.
- hetspookjee 5y ago
  Most modern cars are easily able to hit the epa rating for highway when use cruise control at 100kmh. City is vastly more challenging.

bitexploder 5y ago

My diesel f250 (2021) was doing 17-19 hwy before mods. Quite impressive for 500hp/1000ftlb tq vehicle :)

pyrale 5y ago

> which actually sounds reasonable for a 1000 HP supertruck that weighs 7800 lbs. I can't wait for the day people will have decided they need a vehicle so heavy that an airliner mpg actually sounds reasonable for a car.

dataflow 5y ago
> I can't wait for the day people will have decided they need a vehicle so heavy that an airliner mpg actually sounds reasonable for a car. Airliners are pretty darn fuel-efficient, more efficient than even many lightweight cars. (Assuming you don't leave seats empty, that is.) As of 2017 [1]: "Domestic airliner can get anywhere from 45.5 to 77.6 miles per gallon per passenger, with an industry average of about 51 miles per gallon of fuel per passenger." For comparison, the average car gets something like 25-30 MPG, so airliners are some 2x more efficient. [1] https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ask-mr-green/whats-better-for-environment-driving-or-flying https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ask-mr-green/whats-better-...
- pyrale 5y ago
  The average car also comes with 4 seats, which theoretically puts them below an airliner. But my joke was about the plane fuel use, not per-passenger.
- hetspookjee 5y ago
  What average car are you talking about ? 9.5l / 100km is attrocious and average in 2005. A starlet from 1998 gets better fuel economy already. And so does a Volvo v40 2.0 turbo. I believe a 1800kg modern day M3 sports car already gets better fuel economy than a plane if you seat it with 3 people.
  - dataflow 5y ago
    > What average car are you talking about? https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10310 https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10310
    - 5y ago