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I see nothing wrong with restricting the rights of Russian citizens in foreign countries. Their government is invading a neighbor and causing the death of thou

I see nothing wrong with restricting the rights of Russian citizens in foreign countries. Their government is invading a neighbor and causing the death of thousands of people. Due to the presence of nuclear weapons, NATO forces can not directly engage with Russia militarily so the only solution is for Russians to deal with the problem themselves

ianleeclark 5y ago
Theres something deeply funny about hiding behind a throwaway account while saying that anyone Russian by means of passport ought to be repressed. Cowardly display
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  How so? Do you think anonymity shouldn't be allowed online? Can you link to your LinkedIn or other personally identifiable information? What's your solution to what's going on in Ukraine? Why should Ukrainians suffer and die while Russian citizens are free to live a life of peace?
  - ianleeclark 5y ago
    > How so? You're calling for repression while avoiding responsibility for what you post. Specifically you're calling for nationality-based repression which would affect people who haven't lived in the country for decades or had no meaningful input. You're just feigning a petty tyrant. > Can you link to your LinkedIn or other personally identifiable information? My handle isn't some random assortment of characters and if you Google my name, you will find it all. > What's your solution to what's going on in Ukraine? I'm just some idiot with a keyboard, who cares what my opinion is?
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      >You're calling for repression while avoiding responsibility for what you post It sounds like you're opposed to the idea of interacting on the internet without some kind of verified identification. Discussions have different levels of "safe" viewpoints. Instead of having a different account for each tier of discussion, I use a singular account for all of them. That being said, I don't think this is an extreme point of view as the west is already sanctioning wide swaths of the Russian economy. >Specifically you're calling for nationality-based repression which would affect people who haven't lived in the country for decades or had no meaningful input. Yes. Citizens from enemy countries should not be treated the same as those from friendly or neutral countries. For Russians, it's their country and their people that are invading a neighbor and killing others. It's their president that is threatening to start a nuclear war. Russian citizens in foreign countries are free to claim asylum in those countries and work towards a different citizenship
      - ianleeclark 5y ago
        > Discussions have different levels of "safe" viewpoints You don't have viewpoints, you have cosplays. If you had viewpoints, you'd stick by them. Instead you get to have your cake and eat it: post whatever catches your fancy that particular week and then pretend to be on the posters version of the underground railroad.
        throwaway6734 5y ago
        Again, so you think that individuals should only be able to intero over the internet with verified identification?
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rixed 5y ago
Define "their government"? Do they own the oligarchs and bureaucrats that rule Russia? If the country I happen to be citizen of launch a war, like it did recently, say in Lybia, am I responsible of this because I failed to predict that the government for which I did not vote would start that war? You seam to strongly believe that reality is divided into countries. I think this largely fictional view obscures everything in our present situation.
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  >If the country I happen to be citizen of launch a war, like it did recently, say in Lybia, am I responsible of this More responsible than a citizen of another country. How does Russia's invasion of Ukraine end? The only two I see are: Ukrainian troops kill enough Russians and physically push them back into Russia or Putin orders a withdrawal due to domestic pressure or fear of that domestic pressure. The Ukrainians are doing the first part but the Russian people are the only ones that can do the second part (with the helping of sanctions).
  - rixed 5y ago
    This will end like it started: with politics. At some point all involved parties will find a new equilibrium they are OK with. Opinion of russians in the street count very little. Opinion of russians in the army probably more I believe. But our opinion does count a little too. I would like if more westerners would show support for negotiations (esp. regarding NATO) instead of endless war.
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      What negotiations regarding NATO? Should Ukrainians always be forced to be a vassal state to an authoritarian ruler? Why not Moldova? Or Poland?

ianleeclark 5y ago

Theres something deeply funny about hiding behind a throwaway account while saying that anyone Russian by means of passport ought to be repressed. Cowardly display

throwaway6734 5y ago
How so? Do you think anonymity shouldn't be allowed online? Can you link to your LinkedIn or other personally identifiable information? What's your solution to what's going on in Ukraine? Why should Ukrainians suffer and die while Russian citizens are free to live a life of peace?
- ianleeclark 5y ago
  > How so? You're calling for repression while avoiding responsibility for what you post. Specifically you're calling for nationality-based repression which would affect people who haven't lived in the country for decades or had no meaningful input. You're just feigning a petty tyrant. > Can you link to your LinkedIn or other personally identifiable information? My handle isn't some random assortment of characters and if you Google my name, you will find it all. > What's your solution to what's going on in Ukraine? I'm just some idiot with a keyboard, who cares what my opinion is?
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    >You're calling for repression while avoiding responsibility for what you post It sounds like you're opposed to the idea of interacting on the internet without some kind of verified identification. Discussions have different levels of "safe" viewpoints. Instead of having a different account for each tier of discussion, I use a singular account for all of them. That being said, I don't think this is an extreme point of view as the west is already sanctioning wide swaths of the Russian economy. >Specifically you're calling for nationality-based repression which would affect people who haven't lived in the country for decades or had no meaningful input. Yes. Citizens from enemy countries should not be treated the same as those from friendly or neutral countries. For Russians, it's their country and their people that are invading a neighbor and killing others. It's their president that is threatening to start a nuclear war. Russian citizens in foreign countries are free to claim asylum in those countries and work towards a different citizenship
    - ianleeclark 5y ago
      > Discussions have different levels of "safe" viewpoints You don't have viewpoints, you have cosplays. If you had viewpoints, you'd stick by them. Instead you get to have your cake and eat it: post whatever catches your fancy that particular week and then pretend to be on the posters version of the underground railroad.
      - throwaway6734 5y ago
        Again, so you think that individuals should only be able to intero over the internet with verified identification?
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rixed 5y ago

Define "their government"? Do they own the oligarchs and bureaucrats that rule Russia? If the country I happen to be citizen of launch a war, like it did recently, say in Lybia, am I responsible of this because I failed to predict that the government for which I did not vote would start that war? You seam to strongly believe that reality is divided into countries. I think this largely fictional view obscures everything in our present situation.

throwaway6734 5y ago
>If the country I happen to be citizen of launch a war, like it did recently, say in Lybia, am I responsible of this More responsible than a citizen of another country. How does Russia's invasion of Ukraine end? The only two I see are: Ukrainian troops kill enough Russians and physically push them back into Russia or Putin orders a withdrawal due to domestic pressure or fear of that domestic pressure. The Ukrainians are doing the first part but the Russian people are the only ones that can do the second part (with the helping of sanctions).
- rixed 5y ago
  This will end like it started: with politics. At some point all involved parties will find a new equilibrium they are OK with. Opinion of russians in the street count very little. Opinion of russians in the army probably more I believe. But our opinion does count a little too. I would like if more westerners would show support for negotiations (esp. regarding NATO) instead of endless war.
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    What negotiations regarding NATO? Should Ukrainians always be forced to be a vassal state to an authoritarian ruler? Why not Moldova? Or Poland?