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>All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words. I think what is extremely devaluing and disrespectful of the past ant

by trhway 5y ago

>All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words. I think what is extremely devaluing and disrespectful of the past anti-nazi fighters and genocide victims is to allow Nazism and genocide on our watch. > is grossly inaccurate verging on absolute ignorance or troll. whole country of Ukraine are ignorant trolls? In Ukraine they normally call it a Russian fascism - "russism" ['rashizm'] for short and thus "russist occupants/invaders". It is called the same in Baltic countries too. And if you don't see how the proclaimed by Putin "Great Russia" ideology is nazism when you just don't know what nazism is. >people don't use words literally anymore or don't care about history looks like you have no idea what you're talking about. My Ukrainian grandparents were under German occupation. From the other, Russian, side of the family - significant number of the members of extended family fought against German Nazi in WWII with some KIA/highly decorated/etc.

boringg 5y ago
Nazism: Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. —- Where is the antisemitism, anti-communism, or eugenics - i don't see any of that which are CORE to nazism? Im sorry this situation is terrible in Ukraine but it is not genocide or nazism.
- trhway 5y ago
  Only open antisemitism seems to be missing currently (though i'm not a Jew and can't really comment how being a Jew may feel these days in Russia) even though "global Zionism" as an enemy is present as undercurrent in the Great Russia myth, the anti-communism is definitely there, and racism and eugenics is a bit in the background and not declared clearly under those names (as the names carry baggage). Those specifics aren't core to nazism. The principles behind those are core. I.e. instead of antisemitism there may be hate to some other ethnicity for example. I.e. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism "Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. " That "disdain" is 110%, a core thing of the current Russian Fascism and you can just s/German/Russia/g below (from the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism ) "Its extreme nationalism originated in pan-Germanism and the ethno-nationalist neopagan Völkisch movement which had been a prominent aspect of German nationalism since the late 19th century" There is also motif of WWI defeat which in modern Russia is USSR collapse as a defeat in Cold War.
  - boringg 5y ago
    This sucks that we are debating how shirty the situation is in ukraine. It is terrible, non starter. Unless I'm very misinformed I dont see any eugenics or antisemtism which are core to nazism. The words being used to describe this (genocide and nazisim) devalue the historic weight of those powerful words.

by trhway 5y ago

boringg 5y ago

Nazism: Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. —- Where is the antisemitism, anti-communism, or eugenics - i don't see any of that which are CORE to nazism? Im sorry this situation is terrible in Ukraine but it is not genocide or nazism.

trhway 5y ago
Only open antisemitism seems to be missing currently (though i'm not a Jew and can't really comment how being a Jew may feel these days in Russia) even though "global Zionism" as an enemy is present as undercurrent in the Great Russia myth, the anti-communism is definitely there, and racism and eugenics is a bit in the background and not declared clearly under those names (as the names carry baggage). Those specifics aren't core to nazism. The principles behind those are core. I.e. instead of antisemitism there may be hate to some other ethnicity for example. I.e. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism "Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. " That "disdain" is 110%, a core thing of the current Russian Fascism and you can just s/German/Russia/g below (from the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism ) "Its extreme nationalism originated in pan-Germanism and the ethno-nationalist neopagan Völkisch movement which had been a prominent aspect of German nationalism since the late 19th century" There is also motif of WWI defeat which in modern Russia is USSR collapse as a defeat in Cold War.
- boringg 5y ago
  This sucks that we are debating how shirty the situation is in ukraine. It is terrible, non starter. Unless I'm very misinformed I dont see any eugenics or antisemtism which are core to nazism. The words being used to describe this (genocide and nazisim) devalue the historic weight of those powerful words.