> So you would need to do all the heavy lifting to build your own intrusive lists, they are not, in fact, supplied with the language. that's where we disagree

> So you would need to do all the heavy lifting to build your own intrusive lists, they are not, in fact, supplied with the language. that's where we disagree I guess - the heaviest lifting you could do in C++, assuming zero standard library, is to me still orders of magnitude better, more readable and more maintainable than whatever can be done with macros in C.