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Think about having a switch on a laptop. And if the switch doesn't just kill power (which it shouldn't to safely shut down), then it shouldn't be a switch it mi

Think about having a switch on a laptop. And if the switch doesn't just kill power (which it shouldn't to safely shut down), then it shouldn't be a switch it might be better as a button.

octoberfranklin 5y ago
"Turns off when I tell it to and does not disobey me" is part of "safe".
- NoSorryCannot 5y ago
  I've never seen a machine disobey the long-press, though it's probably happened before to someone. Anyway, I'd rather avoid accidents.
  - cameronh90 5y ago
    We have some Lenovo ThinkPad X1 laptops that disobey the long-press. They get stuck in a state where they are turned on but appear off and nothing works. The only way to get them out of that state is the reset hole. Supposedly it's a motherboard fault, but they've replaced the motherboards repeatedly and it still happens.
  - _trampeltier 5y ago
    My HP ZBook once crashed also somehow and I had to remove the battery. I was not the only guy in the office with this problem.
vocram 5y ago
You want a switch that also kills power without software or firmware. I had a Dell that once got stuck and the usual long press of the power button was not switching it off (probably it was sw/fw controlled). I had to take it apart and disconnect the battery, otherwise I would have lost my working day waiting for it to die.
- polygloty 5y ago
  Just like a sibling comment says I also haven't ever seen a case where a long press didn't turn a laptop off but i agree maybe a pin push button for hard restart might make sense in such cases.
lkxijlewlf 5y ago
I would prefer it to Windows saying, "Hey, I see you want to turn off this, ahem mobile, computer of yours. I'd like to comply, but you see, I have all these updates I'm 'bout to install for you so... yeah... Oh and don't even think of putting it in your bag because it's a Dell and they void your warranty if'n you do that. Mmmkay? P.S. Yer 'bout to miss your flight."
- polygloty 5y ago
  But doesn't the long press actually do that? Kills the power, if you really intend to do that. The warranty thing is an entire Pandora box of discussion in itself
  - antifa 5y ago
    That's clearly a manufacturer defect (on Dell or MS's part).

Think about having a switch on a laptop. And if the switch doesn't just kill power (which it shouldn't to safely shut down), then it shouldn't be a switch it might be better as a button.

octoberfranklin 5y ago

"Turns off when I tell it to and does not disobey me" is part of "safe".

NoSorryCannot 5y ago
I've never seen a machine disobey the long-press, though it's probably happened before to someone. Anyway, I'd rather avoid accidents.
- cameronh90 5y ago
  We have some Lenovo ThinkPad X1 laptops that disobey the long-press. They get stuck in a state where they are turned on but appear off and nothing works. The only way to get them out of that state is the reset hole. Supposedly it's a motherboard fault, but they've replaced the motherboards repeatedly and it still happens.
- _trampeltier 5y ago
  My HP ZBook once crashed also somehow and I had to remove the battery. I was not the only guy in the office with this problem.

vocram 5y ago

You want a switch that also kills power without software or firmware. I had a Dell that once got stuck and the usual long press of the power button was not switching it off (probably it was sw/fw controlled). I had to take it apart and disconnect the battery, otherwise I would have lost my working day waiting for it to die.

polygloty 5y ago
Just like a sibling comment says I also haven't ever seen a case where a long press didn't turn a laptop off but i agree maybe a pin push button for hard restart might make sense in such cases.

lkxijlewlf 5y ago

I would prefer it to Windows saying, "Hey, I see you want to turn off this, ahem mobile, computer of yours. I'd like to comply, but you see, I have all these updates I'm 'bout to install for you so... yeah... Oh and don't even think of putting it in your bag because it's a Dell and they void your warranty if'n you do that. Mmmkay? P.S. Yer 'bout to miss your flight."

polygloty 5y ago
But doesn't the long press actually do that? Kills the power, if you really intend to do that. The warranty thing is an entire Pandora box of discussion in itself
- antifa 5y ago
  That's clearly a manufacturer defect (on Dell or MS's part).