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Consider the following word replacements. [Ukraine/Israel] is established as an ethnic state after the end of the [Soviet/British] regime. [Ukraine/Israel] pa

Consider the following word replacements. [Ukraine/Israel] is established as an ethnic state after the end of the [Soviet/British] regime. [Ukraine/Israel] passes laws to protect its language and national identity in the face of its neighboring [Russia/Arab states] [Ukraine/Israel] is persecuting its [Russian/Arab] minorities by enacting discriminatory laws. [Ukraine/Israel] does not recognize [DNR/Palestinian] statehood. Obviously the parallels are not perfect, but the key is to understand that the Israeli right wing views Palestinians as Arabs, not as an independent nation, and views the establishment of the West Bank as a Jordanian/Arab land grab. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic I’m not trying to assign right or wrong here, but trying to say that these sort of actions are not about pure evil racism than the outcome of regional conflict, and are much less one-dimensional than they are made out to be. As essentially all conflicts are. Racism/apartheid is one-dimensional, and this is not the same. In other news, Israel appointed the first Muslim justice to its Supreme Court. https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-698154/amp https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-698154/amp Racism exists in Israel just as it does in America even though Barack Obama was elected president, and as it does in almost all countries. But its disingenuous to call Israel an apartheid state.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> [Ukraine/Israel] is persecuting its [Russian/Arab] minorities by enacting discriminatory laws The analogy doesn’t hold here. Ukraine shouldn’t persecute it’s Russian minority. (Hell, it’s Russian-speaking cities are lobbing Molotov cocktails at the invaders.) And Palestine isn’t mounting an invasion of Israel, though if they had the capability, it’s uncertain they wouldn’t—the Arab nations tried twice.
- sempron64 5y ago
  Ukraine passed laws banning the Russian language, which was one of the excuses made by Russia to begin this conflict.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > Ukraine passed laws banning the Russian language This is totally false. Ukranian is Ukraine's official language. But Russian was allowed in "courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine where the national minorities exceed 10% of the population" when Crimea was invaded [1]. That law was repealed, of course. But Russian was never banned. Most recently, Ukranian was given primacy in "media, education and business." But again, not even talk of banning Russian in any meaningful sense. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine
codedokode 5y ago
So-called "DNR" region of Ukraine was created with the help of Russian army. There was nothing similar to Israel-Palestine situation. So your analogy is wrong.
- sempron64 5y ago
  I’m not saying they have equivalent claims to legitimacy, or that siding with one equals siding with the other. I’m saying that the Israeli right wing views the PA as illegitimate.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> [Ukraine/Israel] is persecuting its [Russian/Arab] minorities by enacting discriminatory laws The analogy doesn’t hold here. Ukraine shouldn’t persecute it’s Russian minority. (Hell, it’s Russian-speaking cities are lobbing Molotov cocktails at the invaders.) And Palestine isn’t mounting an invasion of Israel, though if they had the capability, it’s uncertain they wouldn’t—the Arab nations tried twice.

sempron64 5y ago
Ukraine passed laws banning the Russian language, which was one of the excuses made by Russia to begin this conflict.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Ukraine passed laws banning the Russian language This is totally false. Ukranian is Ukraine's official language. But Russian was allowed in "courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine where the national minorities exceed 10% of the population" when Crimea was invaded [1]. That law was repealed, of course. But Russian was never banned. Most recently, Ukranian was given primacy in "media, education and business." But again, not even talk of banning Russian in any meaningful sense. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

codedokode 5y ago

So-called "DNR" region of Ukraine was created with the help of Russian army. There was nothing similar to Israel-Palestine situation. So your analogy is wrong.

sempron64 5y ago
I’m not saying they have equivalent claims to legitimacy, or that siding with one equals siding with the other. I’m saying that the Israeli right wing views the PA as illegitimate.