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> That guy may be an a*hole, but I wouldn’t say isolating him will help drive the realisation he’s wrong and hurting others. Guess, You might just know nothing

> That guy may be an a*hole, but I wouldn’t say isolating him will help drive the realisation he’s wrong and hurting others. Guess, You might just know nothing about Russian terror.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

rbanffy 5y ago
I know, but how many Russians would support it if they had the means to stop it? Were they informed of what was happening? Stalin’s Soviet Union was not a democracy. We don’t blame the German people for the Holocaust either.
- app4soft 5y ago
  > I know, but how many Russians would support it if they had the means to stop it? Were they informed of what was happening? To be honest, they has 8 years to learn something from 2014, but Russian propaganda catches them just via TV. There was Internet in last 8 years, and years earlier, but Russian did nothing serious to stop actual invasion. Nw, when they see that their Visa/MasterCard/PayPal does not work & Russia's gov blocked USD operations, they might understand something. I has a friend, he is policemen working in Ukrainian Police in my city. He also has a brother, which is married with Russian girl. This brother moved to wife's home in Rostov region of Russia and now he is living there for less than 10 years. On the first day (Feb 24, 2022 aka Day1) after first shelling all around Ukraine my friend policemen called to brother living in Russia to talk — brother in Russia repeatedly talking that "Russia was attacked by Ukraine!" — that was how propaganda already wins in Russia. Even mother, who I know too, tried to talk with her son actually in Russia, son living in Russia repeated that "You [Ukrainians] attacked us [he already recognized himself as Russian]". There are a lot of such stories from families I know, in just one single city, and a lot more in all other cities in Ukraine, in the first days. All such talks ends where Ukrainian families tired & angry fully blocks their Russian relatives phone numbers. Of course, there was stories where relatives living in Russia fully understand what is going on, but even them can't do nothing just because Russia is actually a jail for all of them. Keeping Internet open for Russian would not help Russian to organize at all. Today Russia started isolate own Internet segment from inside - Russia's gov revealed own root certificate which should be.[0,1] All servers which would not install this root cert would be locked and/or DDoS'ed by Russia's gov cyber forces. [0] https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=56830 https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=56830 [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20220311061258/https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=56830 http://web.archive.org/web/20220311061258/https://www.openne...

rbanffy 5y ago

I know, but how many Russians would support it if they had the means to stop it? Were they informed of what was happening? Stalin’s Soviet Union was not a democracy. We don’t blame the German people for the Holocaust either.

app4soft 5y ago
> I know, but how many Russians would support it if they had the means to stop it? Were they informed of what was happening? To be honest, they has 8 years to learn something from 2014, but Russian propaganda catches them just via TV. There was Internet in last 8 years, and years earlier, but Russian did nothing serious to stop actual invasion. Nw, when they see that their Visa/MasterCard/PayPal does not work & Russia's gov blocked USD operations, they might understand something. I has a friend, he is policemen working in Ukrainian Police in my city. He also has a brother, which is married with Russian girl. This brother moved to wife's home in Rostov region of Russia and now he is living there for less than 10 years. On the first day (Feb 24, 2022 aka Day1) after first shelling all around Ukraine my friend policemen called to brother living in Russia to talk — brother in Russia repeatedly talking that "Russia was attacked by Ukraine!" — that was how propaganda already wins in Russia. Even mother, who I know too, tried to talk with her son actually in Russia, son living in Russia repeated that "You [Ukrainians] attacked us [he already recognized himself as Russian]". There are a lot of such stories from families I know, in just one single city, and a lot more in all other cities in Ukraine, in the first days. All such talks ends where Ukrainian families tired & angry fully blocks their Russian relatives phone numbers. Of course, there was stories where relatives living in Russia fully understand what is going on, but even them can't do nothing just because Russia is actually a jail for all of them. Keeping Internet open for Russian would not help Russian to organize at all. Today Russia started isolate own Internet segment from inside - Russia's gov revealed own root certificate which should be.[0,1] All servers which would not install this root cert would be locked and/or DDoS'ed by Russia's gov cyber forces. [0] https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=56830 https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=56830 [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20220311061258/https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=56830 http://web.archive.org/web/20220311061258/https://www.openne...