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I prefer Ad Nauseum (https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/) because I don't want to just block the ads I want to ruin the profile ad companies have on me

I prefer Ad Nauseum (https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/) because I don't want to just block the ads I want to ruin the profile ad companies have on me by having all the ads clicked as well.

thatguy0900 5y ago
I really like the concept but I would be concerned about having my Google account banned the instant it becomes popular
- the_other 5y ago
  Time to diversify your supply chain then.
  - thatguy0900 5y ago
    I mean, I say Google but I can't imagine any website will allow a logged in user who is committing rampant ad fraud.
    - Nextgrid 5y ago
      Don't give leverage to ad-supported websites? No site I use/rely day to day has any ads so those won't have a reason to ban me. For the rest, not only do they have very little to ban me on (no account, etc - best they can do is IP address?) but an IP ban would actually be beneficial as there's a chance it'll also propagate to their trackers and essentially mark my network as invisible or untrusted, not collecting/processing any data from it as it's considered fraudulent.
- malka 5y ago
  This is one of the reasons I now use my own domain name
- xdennis 5y ago
  That's the same concern I had. But after years of draging my feet, I've finally degoogled enough to not care if they banned my account. Time to install AdNauseam now.
xigoi 5y ago
Do you think they can't tell when a click is automated?
- Larrikin 5y ago
  Google banned it from the Chrome store while leaving other ad blockers up, so maybe they can't?
  - malka 5y ago
    This is the strongest sign that it actually hurt their bottom line
- ManlyBread 5y ago
  This gets brought up every time Ad Nauseam is mentioned but I have yet to see a proof of concept.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    I bet it could probably be done by doing statistical analysis or some AI technique to analyze one's browsing data, and maybe combining it with other information about you that they get from other sources (purchase history, social media participation, etc...). The problem for them is that even if it works this adds extra processing time, effort, and development time.. which can add up when aggregated over the many millions/billions of users they have. Much easier to just oppose effective ad blockers.
  - xigoi 5y ago
    A proof of concept that a site can tell whether you clicked something automatically? reCAPTCHA.
wldcordeiro 5y ago
Hah it'd be even funnier if it was able to use their "report" functions to report the ads as the spam they are.
cjbgkagh 5y ago
I have always assumed our future fascist overlords will use the curated ad profiles to bootstrap a social credit system. So instead of clicking on any ad I need one that only clicks on regime supporting, pro-social, good citizen ads.
- jart 5y ago
  They probably don't have the data. Unless they started monitoring people for jaywalking, driving through crosswalks, smoking on trains, not cleaning up after dogs, buying junk food at 711, etc.
  - cjbgkagh 5y ago
    An efficient government could figure it out from proxy data, I’m sure I could do it. A corrupt and inefficient government wouldn’t care so much about getting it wrong. I suspect it’ll be the inefficient one. I can’t convince Google ads that I’m not 60 and not single and absolutely not into mature age dating. My non-ad blocked internet browsing experience is marred by pictures of leering grandmas. I expect my future in the fascist dictatorship will be an unpleasant one.
    - jart 5y ago
      If you enable ad personalization then they have an ad settings panel where they let you know what they think you're interested in. For instance, Google Ads thinks I'm a married disk jockey living in Orange County who listens to pop and hip hop and loves bread making, aviation, and environmentalism. They let us turn some of it off, but there's no option to tell them what we like.
  - JohnWhigham 5y ago
    You realize all that is coming, right? Health insurance companies would love to adjust your premium on the fly when they see you buy a 6 pack at the store.
    - jart 5y ago
beardog 5y ago
UBlock Origin is not just an adblocker though, in their own words it is a "wide-spectrum content blocker" capable of blocking things like malware, cookie consent popups, social media buttons, and outsider intrusion into LAN. If adnauseam did those things I would use it (I don't want to run both at the same time). edit: i'm wrong, it is a ublock origin fork, apologies
- Larrikin 5y ago
  Ad Nauseum is a wrapper over Ublock Origin. It says so in the second sentence explaining what it is.
  - beardog 5y ago
    I see, I originally saw AdNauseum years ago and misremembered how it worked, I should have read about it again. Sorry!
dorgo 5y ago
Automated clicks on ads don't change anything. Even if everybody did this, over time the prices for ads would adjust and find a new equilibrium. Everything else would stay the same. If an advertiser pays $100 for 100 clicks today then he will pay $100 for 1000000 clicks in an ad click inflated world. Maybe slightly more for the additional energy burned to power all this madness.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Actually, this happens in close to real-time: https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2459326?hl=en https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2459326?hl=en
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
My main concern would be that that means loading enough for it to click on, right? Part of why I use uBo is to avoid loading any bytes over the network that I don't need, and avoid executing any JS that isn't useful.
- mkbkn 5y ago
  In my experience, it happens in two ways. One is where ads are not displayed but AdNauseum tells me so and so ads are clicked. Second is where they are loaded (and hence additional bytes) and clicked as well. Sometimes, no ads and nothing in Adnauseum as well.
mkbkn 5y ago
How does it work in the front? Does it block ads and those blocked ads get clicked? Many times, it shows me no ads but it also displays 0 ads so nothing is clicked. Do we have to allow it to display all ads on the page to let it click? Sorry but it's somewhat confusing for me.

I prefer Ad Nauseum (https://adnauseam.io/ https://adnauseam.io/) because I don't want to just block the ads I want to ruin the profile ad companies have on me by having all the ads clicked as well.

thatguy0900 5y ago

I really like the concept but I would be concerned about having my Google account banned the instant it becomes popular

the_other 5y ago
Time to diversify your supply chain then.
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  I mean, I say Google but I can't imagine any website will allow a logged in user who is committing rampant ad fraud.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    Don't give leverage to ad-supported websites? No site I use/rely day to day has any ads so those won't have a reason to ban me. For the rest, not only do they have very little to ban me on (no account, etc - best they can do is IP address?) but an IP ban would actually be beneficial as there's a chance it'll also propagate to their trackers and essentially mark my network as invisible or untrusted, not collecting/processing any data from it as it's considered fraudulent.
malka 5y ago
This is one of the reasons I now use my own domain name
xdennis 5y ago
That's the same concern I had. But after years of draging my feet, I've finally degoogled enough to not care if they banned my account. Time to install AdNauseam now.

xigoi 5y ago

Do you think they can't tell when a click is automated?

Larrikin 5y ago
Google banned it from the Chrome store while leaving other ad blockers up, so maybe they can't?
- malka 5y ago
  This is the strongest sign that it actually hurt their bottom line
ManlyBread 5y ago
This gets brought up every time Ad Nauseam is mentioned but I have yet to see a proof of concept.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  I bet it could probably be done by doing statistical analysis or some AI technique to analyze one's browsing data, and maybe combining it with other information about you that they get from other sources (purchase history, social media participation, etc...). The problem for them is that even if it works this adds extra processing time, effort, and development time.. which can add up when aggregated over the many millions/billions of users they have. Much easier to just oppose effective ad blockers.
- xigoi 5y ago
  A proof of concept that a site can tell whether you clicked something automatically? reCAPTCHA.

wldcordeiro 5y ago

Hah it'd be even funnier if it was able to use their "report" functions to report the ads as the spam they are.

cjbgkagh 5y ago

I have always assumed our future fascist overlords will use the curated ad profiles to bootstrap a social credit system. So instead of clicking on any ad I need one that only clicks on regime supporting, pro-social, good citizen ads.

jart 5y ago
They probably don't have the data. Unless they started monitoring people for jaywalking, driving through crosswalks, smoking on trains, not cleaning up after dogs, buying junk food at 711, etc.
- cjbgkagh 5y ago
  An efficient government could figure it out from proxy data, I’m sure I could do it. A corrupt and inefficient government wouldn’t care so much about getting it wrong. I suspect it’ll be the inefficient one. I can’t convince Google ads that I’m not 60 and not single and absolutely not into mature age dating. My non-ad blocked internet browsing experience is marred by pictures of leering grandmas. I expect my future in the fascist dictatorship will be an unpleasant one.
  - jart 5y ago
    If you enable ad personalization then they have an ad settings panel where they let you know what they think you're interested in. For instance, Google Ads thinks I'm a married disk jockey living in Orange County who listens to pop and hip hop and loves bread making, aviation, and environmentalism. They let us turn some of it off, but there's no option to tell them what we like.
- JohnWhigham 5y ago
  You realize all that is coming, right? Health insurance companies would love to adjust your premium on the fly when they see you buy a 6 pack at the store.
  - jart 5y ago

beardog 5y ago

UBlock Origin is not just an adblocker though, in their own words it is a "wide-spectrum content blocker" capable of blocking things like malware, cookie consent popups, social media buttons, and outsider intrusion into LAN. If adnauseam did those things I would use it (I don't want to run both at the same time). edit: i'm wrong, it is a ublock origin fork, apologies

Larrikin 5y ago
Ad Nauseum is a wrapper over Ublock Origin. It says so in the second sentence explaining what it is.
- beardog 5y ago
  I see, I originally saw AdNauseum years ago and misremembered how it worked, I should have read about it again. Sorry!

dorgo 5y ago

Automated clicks on ads don't change anything. Even if everybody did this, over time the prices for ads would adjust and find a new equilibrium. Everything else would stay the same. If an advertiser pays $100 for 100 clicks today then he will pay $100 for 1000000 clicks in an ad click inflated world. Maybe slightly more for the additional energy burned to power all this madness.

systemvoltage 5y ago
Actually, this happens in close to real-time: https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2459326?hl=en https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2459326?hl=en

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

My main concern would be that that means loading enough for it to click on, right? Part of why I use uBo is to avoid loading any bytes over the network that I don't need, and avoid executing any JS that isn't useful.

mkbkn 5y ago
In my experience, it happens in two ways. One is where ads are not displayed but AdNauseum tells me so and so ads are clicked. Second is where they are loaded (and hence additional bytes) and clicked as well. Sometimes, no ads and nothing in Adnauseum as well.

mkbkn 5y ago

How does it work in the front? Does it block ads and those blocked ads get clicked? Many times, it shows me no ads but it also displays 0 ads so nothing is clicked. Do we have to allow it to display all ads on the page to let it click? Sorry but it's somewhat confusing for me.