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They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't act

They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

xdennis 5y ago
He said that Russia doesn't plan on invading any countries and that Russia hasn't even invaded Ukraine... which is very concerning for us in Romania.
- CoastalCoder 5y ago
  I'm very sorry for the situation you're in. Could you elaborate on your fears for Romania? Putin's attempt to annex Ukraine has been very damaging to Russia's economy and (I assume) its conventional military strength. Putin's actions also placed the rest of Europe on high alert. So even if Putin manages to secure control of eastern Ukraine, I assume it would take many years before Russia is strong enough to attempt another expansion. And I expect nearby countries would use that time very productively.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Typically if the economy is collapsing during a military action like this, the gov’t has only two options: 1) stop (which in this situation would mean admitting that it was a bad idea/defeat, and almost certainly lead to Putin’s death and the collapse of the gov’t) Or 2) double down and switch to a military economy, using outside sanctions as proof that they were right and everyone else WAS out to get the country. Guess which one they seem to be doing? And if they successfully switch to us vs them’ing the entire world, they can’t let peace happen or folks will start thinking. They need a constant enemy.
8note 5y ago
Sounds similar to claims about the Ukranian medical research labs. First claims that there are no weapons labs, then claims that the things attacked aren't weapons labs. It's possible for details to be lost in translation, and for people to make mistakes
- schleck8 5y ago
  Wow, Russia has messed up really badly then. I guess their navigation wasn't working since they ended up on all accessible sites of Ukraine, including next to Kyiv. While announcing an operation in Donbass

They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

xdennis 5y ago

He said that Russia doesn't plan on invading any countries and that Russia hasn't even invaded Ukraine... which is very concerning for us in Romania.

CoastalCoder 5y ago
I'm very sorry for the situation you're in. Could you elaborate on your fears for Romania? Putin's attempt to annex Ukraine has been very damaging to Russia's economy and (I assume) its conventional military strength. Putin's actions also placed the rest of Europe on high alert. So even if Putin manages to secure control of eastern Ukraine, I assume it would take many years before Russia is strong enough to attempt another expansion. And I expect nearby countries would use that time very productively.
- lazide 5y ago
  Typically if the economy is collapsing during a military action like this, the gov’t has only two options: 1) stop (which in this situation would mean admitting that it was a bad idea/defeat, and almost certainly lead to Putin’s death and the collapse of the gov’t) Or 2) double down and switch to a military economy, using outside sanctions as proof that they were right and everyone else WAS out to get the country. Guess which one they seem to be doing? And if they successfully switch to us vs them’ing the entire world, they can’t let peace happen or folks will start thinking. They need a constant enemy.

8note 5y ago

Sounds similar to claims about the Ukranian medical research labs. First claims that there are no weapons labs, then claims that the things attacked aren't weapons labs. It's possible for details to be lost in translation, and for people to make mistakes

schleck8 5y ago
Wow, Russia has messed up really badly then. I guess their navigation wasn't working since they ended up on all accessible sites of Ukraine, including next to Kyiv. While announcing an operation in Donbass