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I am all in to be a good custodian of the world. But I am tired of the insipid, agitated state, screaming and pushing fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD). When

I am all in to be a good custodian of the world. But I am tired of the insipid, agitated state, screaming and pushing fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD). When I was a young man, I was told the world will freeze, and within five years we will all die. (Good times for fur trade!) Then, the ozone layer will be gone, and within five years we will all die. (SPF 5000 anyone?) Suddenly in the early '80s it flipped to the world is warming, and within five years we will all die. More recently, it just 'climate change' because the FUD has been so rapidly changed, and within five years we will all die. No one is denying that the climate changes. What people are tired of and denying is the FUD. Every single generation thinks all previous generations where idiots; but we, WE know it much better and are smarter then all! Wait till next generation, and see what they tell about us. (Edit: Reference to an article with news clippings of the above https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/ https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca... ) edit2: let the down voting begin!

kerneloftruth 5y ago
According to AOC, the earth will end in 6 years (she predicted 10 years remaining 4 years ago). I'm not aware of an update to her estimate.
- jnsaff2 5y ago
  That number likely came from the 2018 IPCC report which said pretty much this: if something does not happen then by 2030 the there is no realistic pathway to stay belos 2C increase in temperature. World would not end in 2030, but irreversible change would be locked in. Obviously AOC might have been simplifying this or whoever reported on it might have dumbed it down or pushed their own agenda.
  - kerneloftruth 5y ago
    It was actually 12 years: https://news.yahoo.com/ocasio-cortez-world-going-end-150517060.html https://news.yahoo.com/ocasio-cortez-world-going-end-1505170... The point is, beware making quantified predictions. Climate change is real, but when one makes hyperbolic predictions with a quantified timeframe, and then it doesn't happen, the argument is weakened, and skeptics are reinforced. Al Gore learned the same lesson.
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userbinator 5y ago
Everyone old knows the lies they've been given; the young are still naive and impressionable. The underlying agenda is a push towards centralised control and ownership of everything. You can't control the world's emissions if you can't control everything everyone does.
hgomersall 5y ago
Nobody serious said the world was going to freeze. Most papers in the field from the 70s onwards were unambiguous about the risks of warming. There is no FUD except by deniers. Stop with the misinformation, this stuff is too important.
- WaitWaitWha 5y ago
  > Nobody serious said the world was going to freeze. Honestly, if I prove you wrong, will you apologize and retract your libel?
  - hgomersall 5y ago
    Apologies, my rhetoric got the better of the point, which is unambiguously that the majority of serious people said the world was going to warm. Certainly since the 70s and that was the case and the basic physics was established much earlier.
billfor 5y ago
Also, there are more bees now than 10 years ago when they were supposed to all be dying and the polar bear population is not decreasing. Biggest carbon footprint you make is your kids....
- fredoliveira 5y ago
  > Also, there are more bees now than 10 years ago when they were supposed to all be dying and the polar bear population is not decreasing. Do you have sources for these 2 claims? Not that I doubt you, necessarily, but I'd love to check the data.
  - WaitWaitWha 5y ago
    For the bees, this article is pretty (unreadable for my eyes), and the source is also listed https://www.arenaflowers.com/pages/bees-population-graph/ https://www.arenaflowers.com/pages/bees-population-graph/ Their source http://www.fao.org/home/en/ http://www.fao.org/home/en/
  - billfor 5y ago
    And here is a couple for the polar bears. https://polarbearscience.com/2021/10/31/global-population-size-estimates-for-polar-bears-clash-with-extinction-predictions/ https://polarbearscience.com/2021/10/31/global-population-si... https://arcticwwf.org/species/polar-bear/population/ https://arcticwwf.org/species/polar-bear/population/
cheese_goddess 5y ago
> When I was a young man, I was told the world will freeze, and within five years we will all die. (Good times for fur trade!) You should have listened to Tiny Tim then: https://youtu.be/uAZgTKsdJsc https://youtu.be/uAZgTKsdJsc Because he thought The Ice Caps are Melting (Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho)

kerneloftruth 5y ago

According to AOC, the earth will end in 6 years (she predicted 10 years remaining 4 years ago). I'm not aware of an update to her estimate.

jnsaff2 5y ago
That number likely came from the 2018 IPCC report which said pretty much this: if something does not happen then by 2030 the there is no realistic pathway to stay belos 2C increase in temperature. World would not end in 2030, but irreversible change would be locked in. Obviously AOC might have been simplifying this or whoever reported on it might have dumbed it down or pushed their own agenda.
- kerneloftruth 5y ago
  It was actually 12 years: https://news.yahoo.com/ocasio-cortez-world-going-end-150517060.html https://news.yahoo.com/ocasio-cortez-world-going-end-1505170... The point is, beware making quantified predictions. Climate change is real, but when one makes hyperbolic predictions with a quantified timeframe, and then it doesn't happen, the argument is weakened, and skeptics are reinforced. Al Gore learned the same lesson.
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userbinator 5y ago

Everyone old knows the lies they've been given; the young are still naive and impressionable. The underlying agenda is a push towards centralised control and ownership of everything. You can't control the world's emissions if you can't control everything everyone does.

hgomersall 5y ago

Nobody serious said the world was going to freeze. Most papers in the field from the 70s onwards were unambiguous about the risks of warming. There is no FUD except by deniers. Stop with the misinformation, this stuff is too important.

WaitWaitWha 5y ago
> Nobody serious said the world was going to freeze. Honestly, if I prove you wrong, will you apologize and retract your libel?
- hgomersall 5y ago
  Apologies, my rhetoric got the better of the point, which is unambiguously that the majority of serious people said the world was going to warm. Certainly since the 70s and that was the case and the basic physics was established much earlier.

billfor 5y ago

Also, there are more bees now than 10 years ago when they were supposed to all be dying and the polar bear population is not decreasing. Biggest carbon footprint you make is your kids....

fredoliveira 5y ago
> Also, there are more bees now than 10 years ago when they were supposed to all be dying and the polar bear population is not decreasing. Do you have sources for these 2 claims? Not that I doubt you, necessarily, but I'd love to check the data.
- WaitWaitWha 5y ago
  For the bees, this article is pretty (unreadable for my eyes), and the source is also listed https://www.arenaflowers.com/pages/bees-population-graph/ https://www.arenaflowers.com/pages/bees-population-graph/ Their source http://www.fao.org/home/en/ http://www.fao.org/home/en/
- billfor 5y ago
  And here is a couple for the polar bears. https://polarbearscience.com/2021/10/31/global-population-size-estimates-for-polar-bears-clash-with-extinction-predictions/ https://polarbearscience.com/2021/10/31/global-population-si... https://arcticwwf.org/species/polar-bear/population/ https://arcticwwf.org/species/polar-bear/population/

cheese_goddess 5y ago

> When I was a young man, I was told the world will freeze, and within five years we will all die. (Good times for fur trade!) You should have listened to Tiny Tim then: https://youtu.be/uAZgTKsdJsc https://youtu.be/uAZgTKsdJsc Because he thought The Ice Caps are Melting (Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho)