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> Subscriber has violated one or more of its material obligations under the Subscriber Agreement I don't see the relevance - what has the bank violated? If so

> Subscriber has violated one or more of its material obligations under the Subscriber Agreement I don't see the relevance - what has the bank violated? If someone introduces sanctions agaonst you, that's your not action or inaction, so this clause can't apply. Ofcourse sanctions override contracts, I am not clear if revoking certificates was legally nessesary but I don't think it's right. Suppose your money was in that bank and you need to buy insulin - should you die because of what the government did? Suppose you are an immigrant from Kazakhstan, it's not even your government. I don't think this 'press sanctions on ordinary people and hope for regime change' ever worked, dictatorships from Iran to North Korea seem to survive under sanctions

manofmanysmiles 5y ago
> Suppose your money was in that bank and you need to buy insulin - should you die because of what the government did? At some point, more people will realize that governments do not exists, and actions done in the name of “authority” are inherently wrong. > Ofcourse sanctions override contracts, I am not clear if revoking certificates was legally nessesary but I don't think it's right. What makes you so sure of this? Why should the decisions of a few people (the government) be able to affect private agreement between two other people?
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viraptor 5y ago
There are alternative services for certificates. Serious institutions often hold multiple certificates from different sources so there's no extra waiting time to switch in an emergency. I'm not arguing anything political / moral here. If they can't recover from this situation quickly, they should not be trusted with money or relied on in emergency the first place. Your card payments don't go through the bank's pubic website, so the emergency payment situation is not realistic either Thawte's TOS specifically includes: compliance with local laws, with export controls, and allows dropping the agreement in case of force majeure which includes war, armed conflict, terrorism, etc. So they have multiple reasons to drop the bank.

manofmanysmiles 5y ago

> Suppose your money was in that bank and you need to buy insulin - should you die because of what the government did? At some point, more people will realize that governments do not exists, and actions done in the name of “authority” are inherently wrong. > Ofcourse sanctions override contracts, I am not clear if revoking certificates was legally nessesary but I don't think it's right. What makes you so sure of this? Why should the decisions of a few people (the government) be able to affect private agreement between two other people?

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viraptor 5y ago

There are alternative services for certificates. Serious institutions often hold multiple certificates from different sources so there's no extra waiting time to switch in an emergency. I'm not arguing anything political / moral here. If they can't recover from this situation quickly, they should not be trusted with money or relied on in emergency the first place. Your card payments don't go through the bank's pubic website, so the emergency payment situation is not realistic either Thawte's TOS specifically includes: compliance with local laws, with export controls, and allows dropping the agreement in case of force majeure which includes war, armed conflict, terrorism, etc. So they have multiple reasons to drop the bank.