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This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and ob

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet security service told the Knesset on Monday that between 2001 and 2021, about 48 were involved in terror activities.” 48 of 130,000 amounts to 0.037% being involved in terrorist activities which seems very low to be used as justification for a law around security.

burnoutgal 5y ago
well, and the israeli definition of "terror activities" for palestinians could be as simple as "showed up at a protest"
- aaomidi 5y ago
  Yep. Qualitative words are meaningless.
dotancohen 5y ago
hajile 5y ago
The US let’s in millions of people each year and the number of terrorists is essentially 0.000000% 48 terrorists means somewhere between hundreds and thousands of innocent people died.
danuker 5y ago
Blackstone's ratio says "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." Assuming the ratios of terrorists to innocent spouses stays constant, 2708 innocent spouses will be denied citizenship for every terrorist mildly inconvenienced.
probably_wrong 5y ago
Off-topic: Did you copy this other comment [1] from this same thread but forgot to copy the reference for "[0]"? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30639558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30639558
petra 5y ago
This is not only about terror activity. I'm an Israeli, politically left leaning and it's a shame that I need to write the following(and for many years I've believed the opposite) : The Israeli Arabs are a big problem. We've seen it during the last war with Gaza, when those many Israeli Arab citizens created mobs that did many violent actions in quite a few places. Israeli people in some cities had to flee their homes. And yes there we're also Israeli mobs. This is not the first time this happens. It's gotten seriously bad, so bad that now the Israeli Army is building special roads bypassing areas with a lot of Israeli Arab citizens, because those areas aren't safe to use in the case of a war on our borders, So objectively, Arabs and Jews mix very poorly. So is it wise to add another 130K such citizens every ten years ? Or more specifically, Palestinians, who hate us even more ? Or is it just increasing the problem ? And sure, this isn't a nice decision. We Israelis live in a partial war situation. That's the reality. So you can't compare it to barring Mexicans from enter to the US. It's much more complicated.

burnoutgal 5y ago

well, and the israeli definition of "terror activities" for palestinians could be as simple as "showed up at a protest"

aaomidi 5y ago
Yep. Qualitative words are meaningless.

dotancohen 5y ago

hajile 5y ago

The US let’s in millions of people each year and the number of terrorists is essentially 0.000000% 48 terrorists means somewhere between hundreds and thousands of innocent people died.

danuker 5y ago

Blackstone's ratio says "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." Assuming the ratios of terrorists to innocent spouses stays constant, 2708 innocent spouses will be denied citizenship for every terrorist mildly inconvenienced.

probably_wrong 5y ago

Off-topic: Did you copy this other comment [1] from this same thread but forgot to copy the reference for "[0]"? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30639558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30639558

petra 5y ago

This is not only about terror activity. I'm an Israeli, politically left leaning and it's a shame that I need to write the following(and for many years I've believed the opposite) : The Israeli Arabs are a big problem. We've seen it during the last war with Gaza, when those many Israeli Arab citizens created mobs that did many violent actions in quite a few places. Israeli people in some cities had to flee their homes. And yes there we're also Israeli mobs. This is not the first time this happens. It's gotten seriously bad, so bad that now the Israeli Army is building special roads bypassing areas with a lot of Israeli Arab citizens, because those areas aren't safe to use in the case of a war on our borders, So objectively, Arabs and Jews mix very poorly. So is it wise to add another 130K such citizens every ten years ? Or more specifically, Palestinians, who hate us even more ? Or is it just increasing the problem ? And sure, this isn't a nice decision. We Israelis live in a partial war situation. That's the reality. So you can't compare it to barring Mexicans from enter to the US. It's much more complicated.