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> "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought th

> "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought the law forward with Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked. "Today, God willing, Israel's defensive shield will be significantly strengthened," he told the Knesset hours before the vote.

imglorp 5y ago
I'm baffled how the people who survived the Holocaust, among numerous other persecutions, are now so intolerant of another persecuted people.
- btilly 5y ago
  There is something about being surrounded by people who actually want you dead that makes you somewhat rigid about instituting measures intended to keep you alive. I'm not arguing rights and wrongs, here. Merely human psychology.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Almost all humans (and many other species) get tribal once allocation of limited resources comes into play.
- sempron64 5y ago
  Israeli right-wingers don’t see Palestinians as a persecuted minority in a vacuum. They see them as members of the Arab ethnicity of the surrounding states which are much larger in size and population. In the late 1960s Syria and Egypt actually formed into one state and tried to annihilate and absorb Israel in a pincer movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic
- lkbm 5y ago
  One thing that stood out to me when reading about the Rwandan genocide was that Madeleine Albright—who lost three grandparents to the Holocaust and was touted as being humanitarian in part as a result—was center of the US' diligent refusal to acknowledge the genocide they were watching unfold, and recasting of the Genocide Convention as merely allowing intervention in genocide. (It obligates intervention.) Less than a year after the Holocaust Museum in DC opened its doors, proudly declaring "Never Again".
- mvine217 5y ago
  Funny enough, the Holocaust is the exact reason that these sorts of things are justified. It isn't out of malice, but out of a perceived need to protect themselves from the possibly of it EVER happening again. The collective trauma of being exiled from numerous European countries, the progroms in Russia and having ~6 million of your people systematically murdered in Germany overrides any guilt for infringing on intermarriage rights of people who aren't exactly your closest allies and continue to . I don't support the law, but it is important to understand the broader context in which it is passed and the purpose of the state of Israel to those that live there.
  - wara23arish 5y ago
    Not really commenting about the law. But as an arab from a country that Israel has tried to unsuccessfully invade about 3 times now. We had nothing to do with the holocaust. Germans and their friends were complicit. Im genuinely interested in how come normal people of the world don’t really flinch at what Israel was allowed to do and what it keeps doing. I don’t blame Israelis who were born there since we have little control over where we’re born and how we’re raised. Apologies for the rant, but why does it make sense in the broader context to allow israeli actions that directly cause palestinian suffering if all of the jews’ suffering was caused by the germans?
- MomoXenosaga 5y ago
  Before the holocaust Jews were slowly but surely integrating into European society. The Nazis basically altered the timeline.

imglorp 5y ago

I'm baffled how the people who survived the Holocaust, among numerous other persecutions, are now so intolerant of another persecuted people.

btilly 5y ago
There is something about being surrounded by people who actually want you dead that makes you somewhat rigid about instituting measures intended to keep you alive. I'm not arguing rights and wrongs, here. Merely human psychology.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
Almost all humans (and many other species) get tribal once allocation of limited resources comes into play.
sempron64 5y ago
Israeli right-wingers don’t see Palestinians as a persecuted minority in a vacuum. They see them as members of the Arab ethnicity of the surrounding states which are much larger in size and population. In the late 1960s Syria and Egypt actually formed into one state and tried to annihilate and absorb Israel in a pincer movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic
lkbm 5y ago
One thing that stood out to me when reading about the Rwandan genocide was that Madeleine Albright—who lost three grandparents to the Holocaust and was touted as being humanitarian in part as a result—was center of the US' diligent refusal to acknowledge the genocide they were watching unfold, and recasting of the Genocide Convention as merely allowing intervention in genocide. (It obligates intervention.) Less than a year after the Holocaust Museum in DC opened its doors, proudly declaring "Never Again".
mvine217 5y ago
Funny enough, the Holocaust is the exact reason that these sorts of things are justified. It isn't out of malice, but out of a perceived need to protect themselves from the possibly of it EVER happening again. The collective trauma of being exiled from numerous European countries, the progroms in Russia and having ~6 million of your people systematically murdered in Germany overrides any guilt for infringing on intermarriage rights of people who aren't exactly your closest allies and continue to . I don't support the law, but it is important to understand the broader context in which it is passed and the purpose of the state of Israel to those that live there.
- wara23arish 5y ago
  Not really commenting about the law. But as an arab from a country that Israel has tried to unsuccessfully invade about 3 times now. We had nothing to do with the holocaust. Germans and their friends were complicit. Im genuinely interested in how come normal people of the world don’t really flinch at what Israel was allowed to do and what it keeps doing. I don’t blame Israelis who were born there since we have little control over where we’re born and how we’re raised. Apologies for the rant, but why does it make sense in the broader context to allow israeli actions that directly cause palestinian suffering if all of the jews’ suffering was caused by the germans?
MomoXenosaga 5y ago
Before the holocaust Jews were slowly but surely integrating into European society. The Nazis basically altered the timeline.