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This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and an
by simiones 5y ago
This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.
- pavelrub 5y ago> this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens This is incorrect. There is no distinction in the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis. The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza, or one of the other countries mentioned in the law.
- borispavlovic 5y agoIt would be interesting to see the ration between the Arab Israelis wishing to marry an Arab from WB/Gaza and Jewish Israelis wishing to marry a Jewish from WB/Gaza. Laws make sense in a context of a society.
- pavelrub 5y agoThere is a fundamental difference between a law that prohibits a specific ethnicity from doing X, and a law that prohibits everyone from doing X, but a specific ethnicity/minority is more affected by it than others. The former is pretty much never legitimate, while the latter is often unavoidable, and I imagine exists to some extent in any country with minorities.
- simiones 5y agoThis law very explicitly discriminates against non-Jewish Palestinians (and Lebanese and a few others). It also disproportionately affects Israeli Arabs and others who are much more likely than Israeli Jews to have spouses who would be discriminated against by this law.
- zarzavat 5y agoThe law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.
- coeneedell 5y agoAre you trying to say that there's something inherent to the Jewish population that they're less likely to marry a non-Jewish person than a Muslim is to marry a non-Muslim?
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- ricardobeat 5y agoAn arab israeli is very likely to marry an arab from Palestine. I'm guessing a number close to zero Israeli Jews are looking to marry an arab from Palestine (religion, hate, etc).
- scott_s 5y agoNo. They're saying that a Jewish Israeli citizen is less likely to marry a Palestinian than a Muslim Israeli citizen. And given public statements from the lawmakers advocating for this law, they agree.
- hutzlibu 5y agoI am not sure, where you draw that conclusion from, but yes that would be correct. Because the jewish religious law (which many jews have to follow to peer pressure, even if they are not religious by themself) explicitely forbids marrying non jews and no one can convert to the jewish religion. Muslims on the other hand can marry non muslims, but are supposed to convert them. So this is indeed way more comon.
- this2shallPass 5y ago> no one can convert to the jewish religion Citation needed / this is not correct. It isn't easy, but it is perfectly kosher. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism
- helge9210 5y ago> The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza There is no problem for Israeli Jew to marry a resident of WB/Gaza who is also Israeli Jew. This happens all the time (except Gaza, no Israeli Jews live there). Concept of Israeli Jew marrying a non-Jew (no matter the residency) doesn't exist in Israeli law. The state may (but not obliged to) recognize the marriage registered abroad. For non-Muslim non-Israeli spouses of Israeli Jews there is a 5+ year naturalization procedure where outcome is not guaranteed and every half a year one has to recount all the spots and birthmarks of significant other in front of state official to prove the marriage is not a fake. This specific law is for Muslim non-Israeli spouses. Instead of 5+ year procedure it's just a firm "No".
- School-Cotton 5y ago> Arab or Christian You mean Muslim or Christian (either of which can be Arab).
- irrational 5y agoThis is so annoying. It’s not rocket science to understand that Arabic is a language and you are only an Arab if your cultural language is Arabic. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs. It’s like saying that all who speak English are Christians. And all who are Christians speak English.
- sarchertech 5y agoThere are also many Arabic speaking Christians who don’t consider themselves to be Arabs culturally, and who definitely reject the label “Arab”.
- DecentAI 5y agoThey can choose to label themselves however they see fit, however under the guise of israeli law they are no different and are treated the same way as "Arab muslims" which speaks to the enormity of the racist jewish laws.
- sarchertech 5y agoMost of the people I’m referring to aren’t in Israel, so Israeli law isn’t really relevant.
- unmole 5y agoWhat do they call themselves?
- btilly 5y agoThe ones that I have known best called themselves "Armenians".