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Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for dec
by School-Cotton 5y ago
Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for decades with no consequences.
Western countries apply their moral principles differently to their allies.
- eatonphil 5y agoSouth Africa is/was a western ally. And the West did ignore apartheid for a long time.
- School-Cotton 5y ago> South Africa is/was a western ally. Maybe, but not one of nearly the same strategic importance (and lobbying/PR prowess) as Israel.
- deepsun 5y agoSouth Africa abstained to vote on UN resolution against Russian large attack on Ukraine. West didn't ignore apartheid, they quietly supported it, because USSR supported Mandela and anti-apartheid struggle. Kinda "enemy of my enemy is my friend". IMHO that was the stupidest position of the US, they should've "united" with USSR on anti-apartheid position.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y agoWhen one factor "Capitalism vs. Communism" is the lens through which you view the world, then "are they on our side" becomes more important than "are they good people". That is why the west supported some terrible regimes, including Apartheid South Africa and Pinochet in Chile. Because they could claim to be "anti-communist".
- deepsun 5y agoYes. And on the other hand, USSR supported a ton of very terrible regimes. Like cannibal Bokassa in Central African Republic.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y agoThe old regime in south Africa prior to 1994 was a "western ally". Reagan and Thatcher turned a blind eye to Apartheid (and sometime supported it) because the South African government was "anti-communist", or at least they dressed their oppression in that language of "total onslaught of Soviet communism" and that was more important to the west. The new regime in south Africa has some nostalgia for the assistance offered to them by the USSR back then, that is why they abstained on the vote on UN resolution against Russian attack on Ukraine. In some ways it was a proxy war.
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- School-Cotton 5y ago> West Bank was occupied after a war that Israel did not start That is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that they continue expanding their occupation (building new settlements, passing new discriminatory laws, etc.) today.
- mupuff1234 5y agoI'm not a fan of the occupation of the West Bank, but those are not 1:1 scenarios. West Bank was occupied after Jordan initiated the offensive, not Israel, as opposed to Russia who is the aggressor. A 1:1 scenario would be if Ukraine invaded Russia and then Russia took control over Ukraine territory, which in that case i'd argue the outcry would be minimal.
- School-Cotton 5y agoAs I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)
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- pirate787 5y agoThe fact that the Arab world united and attempted to destroy Israel through invasion multiple times is not ancient history and certainly not irrelevant.
- School-Cotton 5y agoMost recently in 1973. Their occupation has gone on for almost fifty years since then.
- denton-scratch 5y agoIt is entirely irrelevant to the illegal occupation of the West Bank and the illegal transfer of populations into occupied territory.
- biorach 5y agoThe occupation of the West Bank does nothing to deter this. The annexation of the Golan Heights is somewhat justifiable on strategic grounds. The occupation of the West Bank is a land grab, pure and simple.
- parkingrift 5y agoWhat’s “legal” or “illegal” has always been defined by whichever country has the biggest stick.
- solarhoma 5y agoIf Israel was an ally they would be helping to supply weapons and armor to Ukraine. Instead they will not supply anything more than medication. The US gives Israel plenty of military $ for them to share in times of need. As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Russia.
- AQuantized 5y agoI think switching sides to China might be a more realistic possibility.
- solarhoma 5y agoAgreed, they have been caught sending US military weapons and intel to China. Yet, the US still sends them ~$5B in military aid every year. Which is equivalent to an $800 tax break the US gives the Israeli citizens each year.
- pthread_t 5y ago> If Israel was an ally "Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China" [1] "a 2013 National Intelligence Estimate on cyber threats “ranked Israel the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US” behind only China and Russia" [2] "Israel among the U.S.’s most threatening cyber-adversaries and as a “hostile” foreign intelligence service." [3] "Israel’s snooping upset White House because information was used to lobby Congress to try to sink a deal" [4] [1] https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israe... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-nsa-document-highlights-israeli-espionage-in-us/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-nsa-document-highlights-is... [3] https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial-directly-contradicted-secret-nsa-documents/ https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... [4] https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201 https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427...
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- Bayart 5y agoAll countries. Western countries aren't especially evil or hypocritical.
- School-Cotton 5y agoYes, that’s true.
- Mikeb85 5y ago> Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank Did you forget the part where all Israel's neighbours attempted to invade it and ended up losing territory? Ukraine never attacked Russia on the other hand...
- femiagbabiaka 5y agoThe government most certainly not. But the assertion by Russia is that the nazi nationalists attacked the separatists. Of course, you or I could say that’s complete bs. But then I would say the same about Israel’s claims about the beginnings of the intifadas.
- slothtrop 5y agoConsequences for taking Crimea, and other countries once part of the Soviet Union, were also virtually nil.