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It's certainly interesting how an oppressed people became the oppressor.
by kif 5y ago
It's certainly interesting how an oppressed people became the oppressor.
- kergonath 5y agoIt happened time and time again in history. See Christianity in the Roman Empire, for example, or at least half a dozen revolutions. Or the Balkans. Oppressed people are not better because they are oppressed. They are still human and perfectly able to persecute others depending on the context.
- kif 5y agoIndeed. It's just sad that's the way it is. As much as we humans like history, we never seem to learn its lessons.
- colechristensen 5y agoTo the contrary, humans have never been nicer to each other or lived more pleasant lives at any point before the present.
- toyg 5y agoAnd that's precisely because we stopped pulling this sort of crap in more and more places. 300 years ago, the number of religions and ethnicities currently existing in US or Western Europe would have meant a constant state of civil war.
- colechristensen 5y ago>300 years ago, the number of religions and ethnicities currently existing in US or Western Europe would have meant a constant state of civil war. 300 years ago the Ottoman Empire was in full swing and quite religiously and ethnically diverse (probably more so than modern Europe or America). Not to say everyone had equal rights or was nice to each other, but historically a cornerstone for the success of many (not all) empires has been a significant degree of diversity and tolerance of both religions and ethnicity. It also wasn't new, Rome was also quite diverse and tolerant. (not always, not to everyone, but still quite so)
- simiones 5y agoThat's not true. Look at India - it has many times more ethnicities, and many Indian kingdoms used to have good relations even between Hindus and Muslims before modern times. Also, empires like the Ottoman empire had Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Persians, Jews and many other nationalities; and Muslims, Christians, Zoroastrians and other religions living in relative harmony - certainly not in a constant state of civil war. Ancient empires were even more diverse, with civil wars often arising more along economic lines than ethnic or religious ones.
- colechristensen 5y agoAnd before monotheism took over... well polytheistic societies don't really have "a religion" that is separate from other polytheistic religions. There are lots of gods and people focus on different ones. The next town over seems to have similar gods, but some of the stories are a little different and one or two has a different name... or is that a different god altogether. That town really far away talks funny, every god has a different name and some of them have wildly different stories, but a lot of it is still recognizable... In other words, religious tolerance with polytheistic societies looks a lot different than the "my god/prophet vs. yours" which is much more prominent with monotheistic religions.
- dotancohen 5y ago
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- VictorPath 5y ago> How do you think the French would react to the import of Arabs An Arab from Morocco would "import" to France - Morocco is an independent country. Israel does not recognize Palestine as an independent country but as territory belonging to Israel, and the IDF patrol the West Bank and haredi settlers create settlements there, in violation of UN resolutions.
- dotancohen 5y ago
- bjourne 5y agoThat comment ignores a lot of nuance. It's not like all white people are Americans even if lots of white people live in the US.
- keewee7 5y agoToday most Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern origin from countries like Syria, Morocco and Iraq. They are not European Holocaust survivors or their direct descendants.
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- walkhour 5y agoIsn't this the dream of every revolution? Sure, to gain power, but also you give it back to who they hate. Also, all the people using the phrase "reverse racism" are wondering the same. It looks to me like the powerful oppress the powerless, but power fluctuates among groups/nations.
- edanm 5y agoI mean, this specifically has nothing to do with the Israeli situation. Israel isn't trying to "give it back" to anyone, and even if it was, the Arabs/Palestinians or whomever, are not the group that Israelis hate. (If there is such a group that would've made sense after hte war, it would've been the Germans)
- jgmmo 5y ago
- fuckcensorship 5y agoBelieving Israel is an oppressive country is not antisemitism.
- simiones 5y agoI think (hope) that the comment above was remarking that Israel itself is deeply antisemitic (Arabs are a semitic people).
- e-neko 5y agoOxford dictionary specifies, for those trying to redefine the term: anti-Semitic /ˌantɪsɪˈmɪtɪk/ (adj): Hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.
- simiones 5y agoYou're right, I admit I had a long-standing misunderstanding about this - I had always assumed the word was referring to semitic people in general, but have decided to look this up (unfortunately after posting the above) and realized that's not the case...
- starik36 5y ago
- Spivak 5y agoYou are allowed to say that a situation isn't black and white and still take a stance. Magneto is a super relatable and his actions in the context of the mutant human conflict make total sense given his motivations -- he's also still a villain.
- csomar 5y agoRelevant movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Finale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Finale Relevant part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Capture
- SmirthsDAC 5y agoAn oppressed people - the Jews, have become oppressors? This comment doesn't even attempt to draw the distinction between the government of Israel and the Jewish people. How would it feel if we said “The formerly oppressed Hispanic people have become the oppressors”, because one country in Central or South America has an oppressive government at some point? There isn’t even recognition that the Israeli legislature might not be representative of most Jewish Israelis and instead be a consequence of political incumbents that are hard to unseat from power, like political dynasties in many countries. Nor does it accept that even if this is the majority will of Jewish Israelis, there are plenty of Jews in Israel who disagree with the law (which is obviously true), and shouldn’t be lumped in as “oppressors”. The same way Trump and his followers actions shouldn’t impugn the moral character of all Americans. No, this is a wholesale indiscriminate attack on Jewish people, global or Israeli. Purposefully vague and universal in it’s attack of an entire ethnic minority group There is no chance this comment isn’t xenophobic to it’s core.
- crypot 5y agoWhat are you on about? Do you just randomly smash the keyboard?
- slim 5y agohe's mad (rightly so) because jews are being conflated with israel. but he should be mad against israel and influent jews around the world for pushing this skewed view of jewishness
- tt_dev 5y agoReplace the word "Israeli" with "Russian" and its the reality of western consensus. To change the regime, do it by suffering the people?
- spopejoy 5y agoIsrael's government and it's supporters in the US and elsewhere ceaselessly push this equivalence between Judaism and Israel, with the clear intent to equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism.
- sgregnt 5y agoIt funny that he head of the Palestinian party in the Israel coalition disagrees with you... In my opinion what is interesting is that the oppressed people have preserved democracy in the face of constant war and even provided full right to the partly that 5 times attacked them, current coalition consists of Arab parties.