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Can we sanction Israel next, please?

bobthechef 5y ago
Not likely to happen, I think. It would be construed as "antisemitic". But even apart from sanctions, Israel receives foreign aid and grants from the US.
- moltke 5y ago
  Not to mention the disproportionate number of Jews in the federal government that are extremely loyal to Israel.
- kergonath 5y ago
  Unfortunately true. It’s been darkly amusing to see the total absence of outcry when boycotts, divestments, and sanctions were decided against Russia, but somehow exactly the same thing is a crime against humanity when it’s against a segregated theocracy.
  - bobthechef 5y ago
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0x_rs 5y ago
If Israel has not been sanctioned for nuclear weapons I don't see it happening, ever, for routine Palestinians discrimination.
joshbaptiste 5y ago
USA just passed omnibus 2022 $1.5T spending bill which has $250 Million for Israel iron dome upgrades.. there is a POWERFUL Israeli lobby in the USA that won't let such sanctions get off the floor.
- pthread_t 5y ago
  They got $1 billion for the iron dome [1] Regarding the Israel lobby, it is strong, but it's losing its grip: 25% of American Jews consider Israel to be an apartheid state [2] Young evangelicals are increasingly turning away from Israel [3] [1] https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-senate-approves-1b-iron-dome-emergency-aid-to-israel-1.10668035 https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-senate-approves... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/a-quarter-of-u-s-jews-agree-that-israel-is-an-apartheid-state-in-new-survey-1.9995986 https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/a-quarter-of-u-s-jews-agree-... [3] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/05/26/as-israel-increasingly-relies-on-us-evangelicals-for-support-younger-ones-are-walking-away-what-polls-show/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/05/26/a...
  - slothtrop 5y ago
    Ultimately this is probably the key to change. As of yet Israel has had carte blanche to do what it wanted because the U.S. wants to have a proxy and looks the other way. Aid should be conditional on a sustainable solution, otherwise the U.S. is virtually complicit. This game of "we didn't make them do it" and showering them with cash and arms isn't fooling most people. I don't see how the country can go on pretending it doesn't have the capacity to strongly influence an outcome, it's just that the aggregate political will is not there yet.
- xdennis 5y ago
  What are you proposing? Just let their enemies bomb all of them out of existence?
  - slothtrop 5y ago
    Strings attached would be a good start.
clearcoat 5y ago
Times are definitely changing. The situation in Ukraine, especially coming right on the heels of two years of lockdown that has disrupted the "status quo" worldwide, I hope is going to be the catalyst for the western world to find new unity with respect to our shared values and reevaluate many things. We've seen several watershed moments over the past few years completely eviscerate well-established and seemingly unassailable power structures more or less overnight.
gerash 5y ago
their lobby is fairly organized and predatory and tries to make an example of anyone who disagree with them even Jewish people. Ben and Jerry's ice cream (founded by Jewish Americans) decided not to sell ice cream in some disputed territories between Israel and Palestine and the lobby swiftly pushed Illinois and NY pension funds to sell all their holdings in their stock. Basically screwing with other people money for their power play.

Not likely to happen, I think. It would be construed as "antisemitic". But even apart from sanctions, Israel receives foreign aid and grants from the US.

moltke 5y ago
Not to mention the disproportionate number of Jews in the federal government that are extremely loyal to Israel.
kergonath 5y ago
Unfortunately true. It’s been darkly amusing to see the total absence of outcry when boycotts, divestments, and sanctions were decided against Russia, but somehow exactly the same thing is a crime against humanity when it’s against a segregated theocracy.
- bobthechef 5y ago

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0x_rs 5y ago

If Israel has not been sanctioned for nuclear weapons I don't see it happening, ever, for routine Palestinians discrimination.

joshbaptiste 5y ago

USA just passed omnibus 2022 $1.5T spending bill which has $250 Million for Israel iron dome upgrades.. there is a POWERFUL Israeli lobby in the USA that won't let such sanctions get off the floor.

pthread_t 5y ago
They got $1 billion for the iron dome [1] Regarding the Israel lobby, it is strong, but it's losing its grip: 25% of American Jews consider Israel to be an apartheid state [2] Young evangelicals are increasingly turning away from Israel [3] [1] https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-senate-approves-1b-iron-dome-emergency-aid-to-israel-1.10668035 https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-senate-approves... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/a-quarter-of-u-s-jews-agree-that-israel-is-an-apartheid-state-in-new-survey-1.9995986 https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/a-quarter-of-u-s-jews-agree-... [3] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/05/26/as-israel-increasingly-relies-on-us-evangelicals-for-support-younger-ones-are-walking-away-what-polls-show/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/05/26/a...
- slothtrop 5y ago
  Ultimately this is probably the key to change. As of yet Israel has had carte blanche to do what it wanted because the U.S. wants to have a proxy and looks the other way. Aid should be conditional on a sustainable solution, otherwise the U.S. is virtually complicit. This game of "we didn't make them do it" and showering them with cash and arms isn't fooling most people. I don't see how the country can go on pretending it doesn't have the capacity to strongly influence an outcome, it's just that the aggregate political will is not there yet.
xdennis 5y ago
What are you proposing? Just let their enemies bomb all of them out of existence?
- slothtrop 5y ago
  Strings attached would be a good start.

clearcoat 5y ago

Times are definitely changing. The situation in Ukraine, especially coming right on the heels of two years of lockdown that has disrupted the "status quo" worldwide, I hope is going to be the catalyst for the western world to find new unity with respect to our shared values and reevaluate many things. We've seen several watershed moments over the past few years completely eviscerate well-established and seemingly unassailable power structures more or less overnight.

gerash 5y ago

their lobby is fairly organized and predatory and tries to make an example of anyone who disagree with them even Jewish people. Ben and Jerry's ice cream (founded by Jewish Americans) decided not to sell ice cream in some disputed territories between Israel and Palestine and the lobby swiftly pushed Illinois and NY pension funds to sell all their holdings in their stock. Basically screwing with other people money for their power play.