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What exactly do you mean by smartphone on wheels? Modern EVs have quite a lot of "smart" software functionality just like modern ICE cars. Both modern ICE and

by audunw 5y ago

What exactly do you mean by smartphone on wheels? Modern EVs have quite a lot of "smart" software functionality just like modern ICE cars. Both modern ICE and EVs have complex ECUs that may need proprietary equipment to service. Most are a lot less smartphone-like than Tesla though. Our old Kia Soul EV is just like Kia Soul... but EV. We're now upgrading to Hyundai Ioniq 5, which is a small iteration towards "smartness" compared to the Kia. You can remotely check charging status and start the heater/cooler from your phone, so it is connected and always online I guess. There are OTA updates, but only for infotainment, not for drivetrain like with Tesla. No camera inside the car. I seriously doubt Hyundai will do remote downgrades or deactivations. I don't know of any issues for independent mechanics.

captainmuon 5y ago
> What exactly do you mean by smartphone on wheels? A car that requires a subscription or an account to use all of its features. Or a car that requires me to use a big touchscreen while driving. I do like all kinds of modern conveniences, like lane assist or semi-autonomous driving on the autobahn/freeway. I like it when the media center is smart and can play Spotify and show me a list of radio channels with pictures and so on. I don't like it when the media center or the GPS is too deeply integrated into the car, I've had too many cars where the radio became outdated quickly. Ideally, you should be able to buy the car and the media center separately like in the olden days, but I think that ship has sailed. What I don't like is car makers using DRM and other tech to extract more money from me. Cars are ridiculously overpriced anyway (First, cars loose a lot of value the moment you leave the dealership. Second, the dealerships are able to give crazy discounts on the list price.)
- outworlder 5y ago
  > Or a car that requires me to use a big touchscreen while driving. That's Tesla and Tesla copycats. Most EVs are not like that. > A car that requires a subscription or an account to use all of its features Bunch of ICE vehicles have this sort of thing now.

by audunw 5y ago

captainmuon 5y ago

> What exactly do you mean by smartphone on wheels? A car that requires a subscription or an account to use all of its features. Or a car that requires me to use a big touchscreen while driving. I do like all kinds of modern conveniences, like lane assist or semi-autonomous driving on the autobahn/freeway. I like it when the media center is smart and can play Spotify and show me a list of radio channels with pictures and so on. I don't like it when the media center or the GPS is too deeply integrated into the car, I've had too many cars where the radio became outdated quickly. Ideally, you should be able to buy the car and the media center separately like in the olden days, but I think that ship has sailed. What I don't like is car makers using DRM and other tech to extract more money from me. Cars are ridiculously overpriced anyway (First, cars loose a lot of value the moment you leave the dealership. Second, the dealerships are able to give crazy discounts on the list price.)

outworlder 5y ago
> Or a car that requires me to use a big touchscreen while driving. That's Tesla and Tesla copycats. Most EVs are not like that. > A car that requires a subscription or an account to use all of its features Bunch of ICE vehicles have this sort of thing now.