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Oliver Stone’s 2016 Ukraine Documentary Banned on YouTube

33 points by aww_dang 5y ago

Pinegulf 5y ago
Never heard of this film. I guess I got to feed the Streisand effect. Good work YT.
- NoPie 5y ago
  It's anti-Ukraine propaganda. It is not banned on youtube either. It is just that certain people want to amplify this signal.
  - JekLod10 5y ago
    Is this too anti-Ukraine propaganda: The U.S. House of Representatives has admitted an ugly truth that the U.S. mainstream media has tried to hide from the American people: that the post-coup regime in Ukraine has relied heavily on Nazi storm troopers to carry out its bloody war against ethnic Russians, reports Robert Parry. https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/robert-parry-when-us-house-saw-ukraines-neo-nazis/ https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/robert-parry-when-us-h...
    - JekLod10 5y ago
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    - artem247 5y ago
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    - willis936 5y ago
      And then a few years later armed Jews to kill Nazis after being denied sovereignty? Ukraine definitely committed its share of war crimes in WWII. They killed untold numbers in a genocidal campaign to ethnically cleanse Poles. Soviets raped. Americans raped. No one in WII has clean hands. What matters most is matters today. A narrative of state-sponsored neo-nazis were used to justify the horrific invasion of Ukraine. It's a scapegoat and entertaining such a fantasy is dangerous for the people of Ukraine and the world.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    3-2-1 until anything that has ever been said in favor or RU and in criticism of the US will be framed as propaganda. Everything is propaganda. All art is propaganda (Orwell). But not all propaganda is false. Propaganda is telling you the truth 99% of the time and sprinkles in the strategic lies (Jacques Ellul[2]). In a hot war that "trust switch" is flipped and it's suddenly 50% lies, and nobody shall dare to question the "good" guys. I'm absolutely against the Kremlin regime, but hope they get their asses handed by a thousand Bayraktars and tank-stealing farmers. But I wouldn't immediately throw under the rug all the horrors the US has inflicted on the world with it's foreign policy. And let's not forget that the main benefactor of this infowar is 100% "our good guys" who would only report news accurately and never have done differently (aehm Iraq war, Brexit, etc). I know propagandists are ruling my thoughts already 2 weeks into the conflict, because I see myself cheering for as many dead Russian soldiers as possible, and a smile comes over face when I look at the horrors of war, as long as the propagandist shows me my heroes are winning, but totally forgetting that the RU "elite" soldiers[3] are often just kids & petty criminals who live on the streets. I don't believe for a minute that the criticism that has been aimed at the West for all our previous wars is 100% unjustified. And painting Oliver Stone as peddling RU propaganda is just wrong when he has a history of sticking his finger into every wound and fragile ego of those in power. [1] https://archive.org/details/AllArtIsPropagandaCriticalEssays https://archive.org/details/AllArtIsPropagandaCriticalEssays [2] https://archive.org/details/Propaganda_201512 https://archive.org/details/Propaganda_201512 [3] https://twitter.com/sergeenko_i/status/1500589120732676096 https://twitter.com/sergeenko_i/status/1500589120732676096
    - NoPie 5y ago
      I don't cheer for dead Russian soldiers. I weep for them. It is a terrible tragedy that they had to die. And yesterday 1200 Ukrainian civilians died in Mariupol. The video is propaganda because it mixes some real events by trying to present that all Ukrainians are like that or at least that the Ukrainian leaders are like that. It instigated war and now unexperienced Russian boys are being killed. And in Russia it is even forbidden to tell that there is a war going.
      - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
cyclohexanol 5y ago
- _3u10 5y ago
- JekLod10 5y ago
  It sure did: It documented US involvement in 2014 coup as well as the extreme right Azof paramilitaries who murdered 14000 ethnic Russians. Never heard any of it? https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-jewish-president-zelensky-made-peace-neo-nazi-paramilitaries/279862/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-jewish-president-zelen... Oh, why isn't this reported? US Admits to Funding Biological Laboratories in Ukraine, with Dilyana Gaytandzhieva https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-admits-funding-biological-laboratories-ukraine-dilyana-gaytandzhieva/279904/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-admits-funding-biological-l...
  - JekLod10 5y ago
    - aww_dang 5y ago
      Please don't take it seriously. You're not alone.
  - erk__ 5y ago
    Do you have any articles that is not written by RT contributes that covers this? Mintpressnews seems to be at best a news site funded by the Syrian regime. So it would be nice to see articles by a more independent source.
    - DoItToMe81 5y ago
      I don't know about the election illegitimacy claims and I doubt the bioweapons claims are anything but propaganda, but the Azov Battalion and other groups like the Aidar Battalion definitely have neo-nazi leadership and likely have intent to ethnically cleanse the east of Russians. Andriy Biletsky, one of the founding members of the Azov Battalion described his political mission to "be the leader of the white races against a world of jew lead subhumans". They openly use Nazi symbolism, distribute neo-nazi propaganda magazines, and provide terrorist training to foreign neo-nazi groups. The Ukrainian government's response to this was to legitimize them, give them arms production plants, incorporate them into the military and even give them policing permits. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/ukraine-far-right-national-militia-takes-law-into-own-hands-neo-nazi-links https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/ukraine-far-ri... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 https://www.timesofisrael.com/brazilian-neo-nazis-recruited-to-fight-ukrainian-civil-war/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/brazilian-neo-nazis-recruited-... https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-rig... https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukrain... https://web.archive.org/web/20150709162323/http://ngu.gov.ua/ua/news/rozyasnennya-shchodo-statusu-specpidrozdilu-azov https://web.archive.org/web/20150709162323/http://ngu.gov.ua... They claim the group has 'depoliticized', although the neo-nazi leadership, distribution of neo-nazi propaganda, use of nazi symbolism and ethic hate related crimes have not ceased.
leptoniscool 5y ago
The vimeo link didn't work, took a while but found this on YouTube: https://youtu.be/2AKpsBF-bvo https://youtu.be/2AKpsBF-bvo Given the warnings, it might get taken down soon.
- JekLod10 5y ago
  It's the US promoting "free" speech through big corporations
musicale 5y ago
I've heard his JFK documentary is good too. /s
bardc 5y ago
random_upvoter 5y ago
So at what point does the level of censorship become comparable to that of the dictatorships that we busily decry? If anything we are doing a better job at it. It's scary how commonly this has become accepted, all for the greater good of the stupid masses apparently.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  A private company elected not to carry pro-Russian propaganda during a brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine. That's... very different to state censorship.
  - throwoutway 5y ago
    Is it pro-Russian? I haven’t watched it.. and now I can’t watch it. I just have to take YouTube’s word for it that I’m not old enough to watch and never will be. Disregarding this video however, I guess “private company sponsored censorship” is the vogue for capitalist governments While “state sponsored censorship” is vogue for authoritarian governments One is outsourced, but the result is much the same. I’m sad that people on HN are constantly cheering one form of censorship when they should recognize the third order effects
    - aww_dang 5y ago
      In many cases the censorship is at the behest of the state institutions. Of course, there isn't a requirement for it to be disclosed as such. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-16-2021/#:~:text=Sure.%C2%A0%20Well%2C%20I,to%20your%20viewers.%C2%A0 https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/202...
    - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
      A lot of HN dreams of getting to be the censor and given the makeup of the audience here, many will, if they aren't already. What I don't understand is the arrogance in believing the choices of what to censor will always be their choice or inline with what their ideology drives them to censor. Power has a way of shifting quickly and dramatically. Those helping to lace up the boots on someone else's neck often find that same boot on their neck not long after.
dswt_mq 5y ago
a) this is not censorship, yt is a corporation and not government b) it is Russian propaganda (if you dare, watch it and compare facts, one for all: Babn Yar masacre) c) Oliver stone is producer, but definitelly not a journalist; facts are bend to fit needs Overall review: if you love totalitarian systems, it will be your coup of cofee. If you love to study propaganda, this is masterpiece to watch. If you are a person grown up in totalitarian system, it brings memories up. Otherwise it's piece of shit.
- bardc 5y ago
  Ok. The thing is that dominant social networks (including HN) have been censoring dissent points of view to Bidden's handling of Ukraine's problem. This video may have several truths in it or may be none, but if you are going to disqualify it. You have to give evidence that what is said is incorrect, incomplete biased, etc...Otherwise the one buying propaganda is you...

33 points by aww_dang 5y ago

Pinegulf 5y ago

Never heard of this film. I guess I got to feed the Streisand effect. Good work YT.

NoPie 5y ago
It's anti-Ukraine propaganda. It is not banned on youtube either. It is just that certain people want to amplify this signal.
- JekLod10 5y ago
  Is this too anti-Ukraine propaganda: The U.S. House of Representatives has admitted an ugly truth that the U.S. mainstream media has tried to hide from the American people: that the post-coup regime in Ukraine has relied heavily on Nazi storm troopers to carry out its bloody war against ethnic Russians, reports Robert Parry. https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/robert-parry-when-us-house-saw-ukraines-neo-nazis/ https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/robert-parry-when-us-h...
  - JekLod10 5y ago
    [dead]
  - artem247 5y ago
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - willis936 5y ago
    And then a few years later armed Jews to kill Nazis after being denied sovereignty? Ukraine definitely committed its share of war crimes in WWII. They killed untold numbers in a genocidal campaign to ethnically cleanse Poles. Soviets raped. Americans raped. No one in WII has clean hands. What matters most is matters today. A narrative of state-sponsored neo-nazis were used to justify the horrific invasion of Ukraine. It's a scapegoat and entertaining such a fantasy is dangerous for the people of Ukraine and the world.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  3-2-1 until anything that has ever been said in favor or RU and in criticism of the US will be framed as propaganda. Everything is propaganda. All art is propaganda (Orwell). But not all propaganda is false. Propaganda is telling you the truth 99% of the time and sprinkles in the strategic lies (Jacques Ellul[2]). In a hot war that "trust switch" is flipped and it's suddenly 50% lies, and nobody shall dare to question the "good" guys. I'm absolutely against the Kremlin regime, but hope they get their asses handed by a thousand Bayraktars and tank-stealing farmers. But I wouldn't immediately throw under the rug all the horrors the US has inflicted on the world with it's foreign policy. And let's not forget that the main benefactor of this infowar is 100% "our good guys" who would only report news accurately and never have done differently (aehm Iraq war, Brexit, etc). I know propagandists are ruling my thoughts already 2 weeks into the conflict, because I see myself cheering for as many dead Russian soldiers as possible, and a smile comes over face when I look at the horrors of war, as long as the propagandist shows me my heroes are winning, but totally forgetting that the RU "elite" soldiers[3] are often just kids & petty criminals who live on the streets. I don't believe for a minute that the criticism that has been aimed at the West for all our previous wars is 100% unjustified. And painting Oliver Stone as peddling RU propaganda is just wrong when he has a history of sticking his finger into every wound and fragile ego of those in power. [1] https://archive.org/details/AllArtIsPropagandaCriticalEssays https://archive.org/details/AllArtIsPropagandaCriticalEssays [2] https://archive.org/details/Propaganda_201512 https://archive.org/details/Propaganda_201512 [3] https://twitter.com/sergeenko_i/status/1500589120732676096 https://twitter.com/sergeenko_i/status/1500589120732676096
  - NoPie 5y ago
    I don't cheer for dead Russian soldiers. I weep for them. It is a terrible tragedy that they had to die. And yesterday 1200 Ukrainian civilians died in Mariupol. The video is propaganda because it mixes some real events by trying to present that all Ukrainians are like that or at least that the Ukrainian leaders are like that. It instigated war and now unexperienced Russian boys are being killed. And in Russia it is even forbidden to tell that there is a war going.
    - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago

cyclohexanol 5y ago

_3u10 5y ago
JekLod10 5y ago
It sure did: It documented US involvement in 2014 coup as well as the extreme right Azof paramilitaries who murdered 14000 ethnic Russians. Never heard any of it? https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-jewish-president-zelensky-made-peace-neo-nazi-paramilitaries/279862/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-jewish-president-zelen... Oh, why isn't this reported? US Admits to Funding Biological Laboratories in Ukraine, with Dilyana Gaytandzhieva https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-admits-funding-biological-laboratories-ukraine-dilyana-gaytandzhieva/279904/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-admits-funding-biological-l...
- JekLod10 5y ago
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    Please don't take it seriously. You're not alone.
- erk__ 5y ago
  Do you have any articles that is not written by RT contributes that covers this? Mintpressnews seems to be at best a news site funded by the Syrian regime. So it would be nice to see articles by a more independent source.
  - DoItToMe81 5y ago
    I don't know about the election illegitimacy claims and I doubt the bioweapons claims are anything but propaganda, but the Azov Battalion and other groups like the Aidar Battalion definitely have neo-nazi leadership and likely have intent to ethnically cleanse the east of Russians. Andriy Biletsky, one of the founding members of the Azov Battalion described his political mission to "be the leader of the white races against a world of jew lead subhumans". They openly use Nazi symbolism, distribute neo-nazi propaganda magazines, and provide terrorist training to foreign neo-nazi groups. The Ukrainian government's response to this was to legitimize them, give them arms production plants, incorporate them into the military and even give them policing permits. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/ukraine-far-right-national-militia-takes-law-into-own-hands-neo-nazi-links https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/ukraine-far-ri... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 https://www.timesofisrael.com/brazilian-neo-nazis-recruited-to-fight-ukrainian-civil-war/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/brazilian-neo-nazis-recruited-... https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-rig... https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukrain... https://web.archive.org/web/20150709162323/http://ngu.gov.ua/ua/news/rozyasnennya-shchodo-statusu-specpidrozdilu-azov https://web.archive.org/web/20150709162323/http://ngu.gov.ua... They claim the group has 'depoliticized', although the neo-nazi leadership, distribution of neo-nazi propaganda, use of nazi symbolism and ethic hate related crimes have not ceased.

leptoniscool 5y ago

The vimeo link didn't work, took a while but found this on YouTube: https://youtu.be/2AKpsBF-bvo https://youtu.be/2AKpsBF-bvo Given the warnings, it might get taken down soon.

JekLod10 5y ago
It's the US promoting "free" speech through big corporations

musicale 5y ago

I've heard his JFK documentary is good too. /s

bardc 5y ago

random_upvoter 5y ago

So at what point does the level of censorship become comparable to that of the dictatorships that we busily decry? If anything we are doing a better job at it. It's scary how commonly this has become accepted, all for the greater good of the stupid masses apparently.

rsynnott 5y ago
A private company elected not to carry pro-Russian propaganda during a brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine. That's... very different to state censorship.
- throwoutway 5y ago
  Is it pro-Russian? I haven’t watched it.. and now I can’t watch it. I just have to take YouTube’s word for it that I’m not old enough to watch and never will be. Disregarding this video however, I guess “private company sponsored censorship” is the vogue for capitalist governments While “state sponsored censorship” is vogue for authoritarian governments One is outsourced, but the result is much the same. I’m sad that people on HN are constantly cheering one form of censorship when they should recognize the third order effects
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    In many cases the censorship is at the behest of the state institutions. Of course, there isn't a requirement for it to be disclosed as such. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-16-2021/#:~:text=Sure.%C2%A0%20Well%2C%20I,to%20your%20viewers.%C2%A0 https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/202...
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    A lot of HN dreams of getting to be the censor and given the makeup of the audience here, many will, if they aren't already. What I don't understand is the arrogance in believing the choices of what to censor will always be their choice or inline with what their ideology drives them to censor. Power has a way of shifting quickly and dramatically. Those helping to lace up the boots on someone else's neck often find that same boot on their neck not long after.

dswt_mq 5y ago

a) this is not censorship, yt is a corporation and not government b) it is Russian propaganda (if you dare, watch it and compare facts, one for all: Babn Yar masacre) c) Oliver stone is producer, but definitelly not a journalist; facts are bend to fit needs Overall review: if you love totalitarian systems, it will be your coup of cofee. If you love to study propaganda, this is masterpiece to watch. If you are a person grown up in totalitarian system, it brings memories up. Otherwise it's piece of shit.

bardc 5y ago
Ok. The thing is that dominant social networks (including HN) have been censoring dissent points of view to Bidden's handling of Ukraine's problem. This video may have several truths in it or may be none, but if you are going to disqualify it. You have to give evidence that what is said is incorrect, incomplete biased, etc...Otherwise the one buying propaganda is you...