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Official statement by Blender regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine

8 points by app4soft 5y ago

Aspie96 5y ago
While I agree with the statement 100%, I believe it is rather unfortunate. > On behalf of everyone in the blender.org organization I hereby fully and loudly condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I do too. The issue is that this has nothing to do with the mission of the Blender Foundation, nor with free software. It's an important (in fact, more important) but different issue. FLOSS organizations taking a political stance on completely unrelated issues is something we've seen many times. It's an issue because it becomes a "package deal": people should be able to put their forces (and their money) together towards a common goal without having to agree on any other issue. The statement is one I agree with, but it belongs on a personal blog, not on blender.org. Those who support and endorse the Blender Foundation are expressing agreement with its mission, not with whatever other political view Ton (or others) may have, now or in the future. I especially admired the Blender Foundation for its neutrality and focus on its mission, without failure for two decades. But now I think it has made the same mistake as other FLOSS organizations.
ArcturianDeath 5y ago
copperwater69 5y ago
I wish more corporations and organisations would condemn the actions in Yemen and israel.
app4soft 5y ago
Original tweet by Blender: > Official statement by Blender regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[0] > https://www.blender.org/press/the-war-in-ukraine/ https://www.blender.org/press/the-war-in-ukraine/ This press-release published by Ton Roosendaal[1] (+ Blender's tweet also retweeted by Ton) N.B. Ton Roosendaal said that “the product Blender should stay neutral”[2], but other FOSS projects contributors asking at least for posting supporting message from his own.[3] FTR, Yorik van Havre (FreeCAD project lead) decided to help Russian to survive Internet isolation & sanctions.[4] P.S. I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine. Here is my statement for HN:[5] + My Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/app4soft https://www.patreon.com/app4soft + Verified Ways to Help Ukraine: https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help-the-ukrainian-army/ https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help... [0] https://twitter.com/Blender/status/1501923221096079362 https://twitter.com/Blender/status/1501923221096079362 [1] https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal [2] https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal/status/1501965776001110017 https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal/status/1501965776001110017 [3] https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502178134187122688 https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502178134187122688 [4] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1501824400546533378 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1501824400546533378 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897
joebob42 5y ago
I appreciate the taking individual action and making a statement but not corrupting their Foss project.
- Aspie96 5y ago
  I think it's good that they are taking individual action and that they decided not to corrupt their FOSS project, too. As for the statement (in support of Ukraine, against Russia), while I agree with it, I really believe it would rather belong on a personal blog, as a statement from individuals, since it's on a political topic unrelated to the Blender mission, thus without corrupting the neutrality of the organization.
rbanffy 5y ago
We should do what we can to pressure the Russian government to stop the hostilities and to support those who want to leave, those who want to stay, and those who want to fight. At the same time, we should not blame a people for their government actions. We didn’t do it to Americans when the US invaded Iraq, we don’t blame Israelis when the IDF bombs Gaza, and we shouldn’t do it to Russians when so many risk their freedom to show support towards the Ukrainian people. We must acknowledge Russia is not a democracy and the actions of its government have little support from its people and the support it has was obtained through propaganda and misinformation.
- app4soft 5y ago
  I may agree only in small part, just because I know Russian a lot more than then the rest of the world. For example, Alexander Prokoudine[0,1], author LibreArt/LibreGraphicsWorld[1] magazine (and contributor to GIMP and other FLOSS projetcs), even it looks like supporting Ukraine, internally for Russian speaking Linux-users auditory he joked about Crimea (Ukraine's sovereign territory occupied by Russia since February 20, 2014) that “[Russian] should give it back to [Arnold] Schwarzenegger:)” in 2015.[2] Russian in whole should respond to do nothing to prevent actual war in last 8 years. Even more, all Russian has 22 years to stop Putin. No Russian should escape Russia and its sanctions — instead they all should fight with own Russian gov, as hard, as Ukrainian did it at Revolution of Dignity[3] in Ukraine, just before Russia started Russo-Ukrainian War[4] since February 20, 2014. [0] https://twitter.com/ https://twitter.com/ [1] https://twitter.com/lgworld https://twitter.com/lgworld [2] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1500394792290766849 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1500394792290766849 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    We are all the result of decades of exposure to our own cultural environments. I grew up in Brazil, in a very racist, repressive, and misogynistic society, under a dictatorship, and I still have to police myself to avoid falling into the traps that were indoctrinated into my self. Each and every day I have to stop myself, take a step back, and actively decide to be a better person than the one I was raised to be. That guy may be an a*hole, but I wouldn’t say isolating him will help drive the realisation he’s wrong and hurting others.

8 points by app4soft 5y ago

While I agree with the statement 100%, I believe it is rather unfortunate. > On behalf of everyone in the blender.org organization I hereby fully and loudly condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I do too. The issue is that this has nothing to do with the mission of the Blender Foundation, nor with free software. It's an important (in fact, more important) but different issue. FLOSS organizations taking a political stance on completely unrelated issues is something we've seen many times. It's an issue because it becomes a "package deal": people should be able to put their forces (and their money) together towards a common goal without having to agree on any other issue. The statement is one I agree with, but it belongs on a personal blog, not on blender.org. Those who support and endorse the Blender Foundation are expressing agreement with its mission, not with whatever other political view Ton (or others) may have, now or in the future. I especially admired the Blender Foundation for its neutrality and focus on its mission, without failure for two decades. But now I think it has made the same mistake as other FLOSS organizations.

ArcturianDeath 5y ago

copperwater69 5y ago

I wish more corporations and organisations would condemn the actions in Yemen and israel.

app4soft 5y ago

Original tweet by Blender: > Official statement by Blender regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[0] > https://www.blender.org/press/the-war-in-ukraine/ https://www.blender.org/press/the-war-in-ukraine/ This press-release published by Ton Roosendaal[1] (+ Blender's tweet also retweeted by Ton) N.B. Ton Roosendaal said that “the product Blender should stay neutral”[2], but other FOSS projects contributors asking at least for posting supporting message from his own.[3] FTR, Yorik van Havre (FreeCAD project lead) decided to help Russian to survive Internet isolation & sanctions.[4] P.S. I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine. Here is my statement for HN:[5] + My Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/app4soft https://www.patreon.com/app4soft + Verified Ways to Help Ukraine: https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help-the-ukrainian-army/ https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/verified-ways-to-help... [0] https://twitter.com/Blender/status/1501923221096079362 https://twitter.com/Blender/status/1501923221096079362 [1] https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal [2] https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal/status/1501965776001110017 https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal/status/1501965776001110017 [3] https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502178134187122688 https://twitter.com/SolveSpace/status/1502178134187122688 [4] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1501824400546533378 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1501824400546533378 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897

joebob42 5y ago

I appreciate the taking individual action and making a statement but not corrupting their Foss project.

Aspie96 5y ago
I think it's good that they are taking individual action and that they decided not to corrupt their FOSS project, too. As for the statement (in support of Ukraine, against Russia), while I agree with it, I really believe it would rather belong on a personal blog, as a statement from individuals, since it's on a political topic unrelated to the Blender mission, thus without corrupting the neutrality of the organization.

rbanffy 5y ago

We should do what we can to pressure the Russian government to stop the hostilities and to support those who want to leave, those who want to stay, and those who want to fight. At the same time, we should not blame a people for their government actions. We didn’t do it to Americans when the US invaded Iraq, we don’t blame Israelis when the IDF bombs Gaza, and we shouldn’t do it to Russians when so many risk their freedom to show support towards the Ukrainian people. We must acknowledge Russia is not a democracy and the actions of its government have little support from its people and the support it has was obtained through propaganda and misinformation.

app4soft 5y ago
I may agree only in small part, just because I know Russian a lot more than then the rest of the world. For example, Alexander Prokoudine[0,1], author LibreArt/LibreGraphicsWorld[1] magazine (and contributor to GIMP and other FLOSS projetcs), even it looks like supporting Ukraine, internally for Russian speaking Linux-users auditory he joked about Crimea (Ukraine's sovereign territory occupied by Russia since February 20, 2014) that “[Russian] should give it back to [Arnold] Schwarzenegger:)” in 2015.[2] Russian in whole should respond to do nothing to prevent actual war in last 8 years. Even more, all Russian has 22 years to stop Putin. No Russian should escape Russia and its sanctions — instead they all should fight with own Russian gov, as hard, as Ukrainian did it at Revolution of Dignity[3] in Ukraine, just before Russia started Russo-Ukrainian War[4] since February 20, 2014. [0] https://twitter.com/ https://twitter.com/ [1] https://twitter.com/lgworld https://twitter.com/lgworld [2] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1500394792290766849 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1500394792290766849 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
- rbanffy 5y ago
  We are all the result of decades of exposure to our own cultural environments. I grew up in Brazil, in a very racist, repressive, and misogynistic society, under a dictatorship, and I still have to police myself to avoid falling into the traps that were indoctrinated into my self. Each and every day I have to stop myself, take a step back, and actively decide to be a better person than the one I was raised to be. That guy may be an a*hole, but I wouldn’t say isolating him will help drive the realisation he’s wrong and hurting others.