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I have a similar feeling and I am quite pessimistic about the future in this regard. Currently, I have been able to avoid it pretty well, but appliances break a

I have a similar feeling and I am quite pessimistic about the future in this regard. Currently, I have been able to avoid it pretty well, but appliances break and need replacing, and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart", much less a car!

fsflover 5y ago
You should support organizations fighting for the user freedom, e.g., https://fsf.org https://fsf.org.
- lkxijlewlf 5y ago
  Agreed. But damn, that's a short list.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    https://edri.org https://edri.org, https://eff.org https://eff.org. There are more.
lkxijlewlf 5y ago
>... and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart"... What's worse is you'll have to have a monthly subscription to their service or it won't work. I bet there are people just salivating at the thought of all that MRR. Our future is one in which we don't own a damn thing. We're all renters.
- robotguy 5y ago
  This is one of the topics of Cory Doctorow's sci-fi book "Unauthorized Bread."
- walrus01 5y ago
  I am already receiving targeted ads for what appears to be a roomba subscription
Shared404 5y ago
This is what I'm worried about. Sooner or later we'll need regulation to prevent devices from requiring network connection. I don't think we'll ever get it though.
- hef19898 5y ago
  More likely we will get regulation making smart, connected devices mandatory for one reason or another.
  - 1shooner 5y ago
    >for one reason or another. energy consumption
    - hef19898 5y ago
      I'd expect them to be more creative, but energy consumption's gonna do I guess
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  Let's set aside that regulation like that will come with a bunch of other stipulations which will capture the market for the incumbents... There are unintuitive outcomes which could arise like: smaller companies might need to develop a product with access to the web to keep costs manageable, but larger companies, using their capital, are able to establish proprietary wireless connectivity (which is not the internet) that smaller companies are unable. Peer to peer connectivity over public networks is a great asset for smaller companies with disruptive ideas, and this could destroy that.
  - mcny 5y ago
    Big companies could also simply include their own networking equipment and data plan. My understanding of the fake/non-mmWave 5G is it dramatically decreases cost for network operators. If that is true (please correct me if I am wrong), what stops tv manufacturers from including a tiny modem with its own gsm Internet connection that can do things like see if there is an update available or fetch weather information (based on included gps module)? Or the real reason, ads. They could even be simple text ads if network operators decide to charge a lot for data.

fsflover 5y ago

You should support organizations fighting for the user freedom, e.g., https://fsf.org https://fsf.org.

lkxijlewlf 5y ago
Agreed. But damn, that's a short list.
- fsflover 5y ago
  https://edri.org https://edri.org, https://eff.org https://eff.org. There are more.

lkxijlewlf 5y ago

>... and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart"... What's worse is you'll have to have a monthly subscription to their service or it won't work. I bet there are people just salivating at the thought of all that MRR. Our future is one in which we don't own a damn thing. We're all renters.

robotguy 5y ago
This is one of the topics of Cory Doctorow's sci-fi book "Unauthorized Bread."
walrus01 5y ago
I am already receiving targeted ads for what appears to be a roomba subscription

Shared404 5y ago

This is what I'm worried about. Sooner or later we'll need regulation to prevent devices from requiring network connection. I don't think we'll ever get it though.

hef19898 5y ago
More likely we will get regulation making smart, connected devices mandatory for one reason or another.
- 1shooner 5y ago
  >for one reason or another. energy consumption
  - hef19898 5y ago
    I'd expect them to be more creative, but energy consumption's gonna do I guess
birdyrooster 5y ago
Let's set aside that regulation like that will come with a bunch of other stipulations which will capture the market for the incumbents... There are unintuitive outcomes which could arise like: smaller companies might need to develop a product with access to the web to keep costs manageable, but larger companies, using their capital, are able to establish proprietary wireless connectivity (which is not the internet) that smaller companies are unable. Peer to peer connectivity over public networks is a great asset for smaller companies with disruptive ideas, and this could destroy that.
- mcny 5y ago
  Big companies could also simply include their own networking equipment and data plan. My understanding of the fake/non-mmWave 5G is it dramatically decreases cost for network operators. If that is true (please correct me if I am wrong), what stops tv manufacturers from including a tiny modem with its own gsm Internet connection that can do things like see if there is an update available or fetch weather information (based on included gps module)? Or the real reason, ads. They could even be simple text ads if network operators decide to charge a lot for data.