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This "Google Search sucks" discussion is officially getting boring. We get it, it sucks; we already know. It's been discussed ad nauseum. This article is partic

by caaqil 5y ago

This "Google Search sucks" discussion is officially getting boring. We get it, it sucks; we already know. It's been discussed ad nauseum. This article is particularly bad because it's a rehash of (and commentary on) content that already appeared here, with no significant new information (much like the original article it's commenting on, which was also a rehash of HN threads and comments made by people popular with the HN crowd).

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
by the time it's boring for us technical folks, it's just beginning to penetrate in mainstream discussion
midhhhthrow 5y ago
I’m glad it’s not just me. I’ve done so many fairly basic searches and gotten back absolutely awful results. I imagine most of the web isn’t even accessible through. This is an important topic that deserves even more discussion, especially since there isn’t even another solution yet
- teknopaul 5y ago
  This. The Internet needs search. I took a screenshot the first time Google showed only ads and no organic search. It's critical to the functioning of the free market that consumers have accurate information. The fact that Google is crap is less important. The fact that Google squashes competition and there is no unbiased search engine, is of national interest. Current situation is because of a combination of Google's monopoly abuse and the fact that US govt does not recognise that search engines are(is) the entry point to a significant market. If you believe in the free market, then the state of Google search indicates huge inefficiency. A lot of people treat the term free market to mean "I, personally, am free to get rich, however I can, at the expense of everyone else." Which is pretty much the opposite of what it really means. It really means "you are free to join the market and compete on equal terms." Under those conditions best product/price should win.
  - jamjamjamjamjam 5y ago
    I tried searching for kagi, and all I got was jewellery results. This is absolutely true
coastflow 5y ago
It was pleasantly surprising to see the article cite Hacker News as a source ("“Google is dead. Long live Google + ‘site:reddit.com’ ”—became the No. 10 most upvoted link ever on the tech-industry discussion board Hacker News."), which likely inspired the pitch to write the article. The article still adds value as the reporter got a Google spokesperson to comment, and also brings the issue to a much wider audience outside of Hacker News.
TechBro8615 5y ago
Sometimes I wonder if anyone is running a HN bot that can comment on the repetitive threads that come up on a monthly basis.
- sa46 5y ago
  I’ve thought about creating HN Tropes, similar to TV Tropes to categorize the repetitive discussions with comments that are easily predicted. I haven’t convinced myself it’d help things, might just fuel the fire.
  - psyc 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30606491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30606491
toastal 5y ago
Just because you're bored and in the know, doesn't a) mean the problem has gotten any better and isn't relevant and b) hasn't given others, newcomers a place to express their grievance. The fact that it still persists and still gets upvotes shows people aren't done and discussions of alternatives still need to be had.
dazc 5y ago
Nothing will change until the discussion enters the mainstream and every boring HN thread on the subject helps bring that goal closer. I switched to DDG more than a year ago and I can honestly say that I've not had to revert to google search more than a handful of times since. A regular user would probably forget about Google in a breath if only they knew that such an alternative existed.
lattalayta 5y ago
It may be coincidence, but around the same time that the "Google Search sucks" articles and comments starting becoming more frequent I am now getting pop ups on the Google Search results page to rate the results between 1-5 stars.

by caaqil 5y ago

loudtieblahblah 5y ago

by the time it's boring for us technical folks, it's just beginning to penetrate in mainstream discussion

midhhhthrow 5y ago

I’m glad it’s not just me. I’ve done so many fairly basic searches and gotten back absolutely awful results. I imagine most of the web isn’t even accessible through. This is an important topic that deserves even more discussion, especially since there isn’t even another solution yet

teknopaul 5y ago
This. The Internet needs search. I took a screenshot the first time Google showed only ads and no organic search. It's critical to the functioning of the free market that consumers have accurate information. The fact that Google is crap is less important. The fact that Google squashes competition and there is no unbiased search engine, is of national interest. Current situation is because of a combination of Google's monopoly abuse and the fact that US govt does not recognise that search engines are(is) the entry point to a significant market. If you believe in the free market, then the state of Google search indicates huge inefficiency. A lot of people treat the term free market to mean "I, personally, am free to get rich, however I can, at the expense of everyone else." Which is pretty much the opposite of what it really means. It really means "you are free to join the market and compete on equal terms." Under those conditions best product/price should win.
- jamjamjamjamjam 5y ago
  I tried searching for kagi, and all I got was jewellery results. This is absolutely true

coastflow 5y ago

It was pleasantly surprising to see the article cite Hacker News as a source ("“Google is dead. Long live Google + ‘site:reddit.com’ ”—became the No. 10 most upvoted link ever on the tech-industry discussion board Hacker News."), which likely inspired the pitch to write the article. The article still adds value as the reporter got a Google spokesperson to comment, and also brings the issue to a much wider audience outside of Hacker News.

TechBro8615 5y ago

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is running a HN bot that can comment on the repetitive threads that come up on a monthly basis.

sa46 5y ago
I’ve thought about creating HN Tropes, similar to TV Tropes to categorize the repetitive discussions with comments that are easily predicted. I haven’t convinced myself it’d help things, might just fuel the fire.
- psyc 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30606491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30606491

toastal 5y ago

Just because you're bored and in the know, doesn't a) mean the problem has gotten any better and isn't relevant and b) hasn't given others, newcomers a place to express their grievance. The fact that it still persists and still gets upvotes shows people aren't done and discussions of alternatives still need to be had.

dazc 5y ago

Nothing will change until the discussion enters the mainstream and every boring HN thread on the subject helps bring that goal closer. I switched to DDG more than a year ago and I can honestly say that I've not had to revert to google search more than a handful of times since. A regular user would probably forget about Google in a breath if only they knew that such an alternative existed.

lattalayta 5y ago

It may be coincidence, but around the same time that the "Google Search sucks" articles and comments starting becoming more frequent I am now getting pop ups on the Google Search results page to rate the results between 1-5 stars.