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Everyone has something to hide from public view, at least in the sense that you don't want anyone (government or civilian burglar) being able to steal your stuf

by judge2020 5y ago

Everyone has something to hide from public view, at least in the sense that you don't want anyone (government or civilian burglar) being able to steal your stuff or know what sort of stuff you have on your hard drive. And by everyone, I include regular people who might have a regular desktop or laptop without disk encryption.

charcircuit 5y ago
>Everyone has something to hide from public view But we aren't talking about making something public. We are only talking about a case where the government already has a warrant.
- pdonis 5y ago
  No, we're not. We're talking about the EARN-IT act, which wants to legally require all website owners to report all kinds of things to law enforcement, without any probable cause that anyone has commmitted a crime and without any kind of warrant.
  - charcircuit 5y ago
    We were on a tangent. E2EE isn't even banned by the bill so it's all somewhat off topic to talk about.
    - pdonis 5y ago
      > E2EE isn't even banned by the bill Not explicitly, no. But it is not feasible for applications to comply with the provisions of the bill while still supporting E2EE, so the bill's effect will be to largely eliminate the use of E2EE.
- cgriswald 5y ago
  There's literally no difference. None. This was tried before with special locks that 'only the TSA had the keys to open'. The keys were posted online for anyone to make their own. It's also been tried commercially with various DRM and failed. There is no such thing as a 'government only, and only with a warrant' backdoor. There is either private or not private.
  - charcircuit 5y ago
    The problem with TSA keys is that they are all the same, can easily be cloned, and couldn't be rotated. It is possible to design a system where judges have their own hardware keys. Hardware keys can not be cloned assuming strong tamper protection. If a hardware key gets stolen it can be revoked as being valid and a judge can be issued a new one. DRM is different because the client ultimately has to have the keys to decrypt the content they have been permitted access to.
    - baash05 5y ago
      Shot in the dark here? Which Government are you talking about? Saudi? Where being gay is a death sentence? No? How about the US where being Japanese was illegal? China's got the most people, perhaps we take a wold wide vote to see? Biggest land mass? Millionaires per population (the 1%)? Who would control the creation of the keys? I mean which tech vender would control access to my android phones encryption? My phone was made in China, and the chips inside it were made in China. They also have the most people, so it seems fair they control the keys.

charcircuit 5y ago

>Everyone has something to hide from public view But we aren't talking about making something public. We are only talking about a case where the government already has a warrant.

pdonis 5y ago
No, we're not. We're talking about the EARN-IT act, which wants to legally require all website owners to report all kinds of things to law enforcement, without any probable cause that anyone has commmitted a crime and without any kind of warrant.
- charcircuit 5y ago
  We were on a tangent. E2EE isn't even banned by the bill so it's all somewhat off topic to talk about.
  - pdonis 5y ago
    > E2EE isn't even banned by the bill Not explicitly, no. But it is not feasible for applications to comply with the provisions of the bill while still supporting E2EE, so the bill's effect will be to largely eliminate the use of E2EE.
cgriswald 5y ago
There's literally no difference. None. This was tried before with special locks that 'only the TSA had the keys to open'. The keys were posted online for anyone to make their own. It's also been tried commercially with various DRM and failed. There is no such thing as a 'government only, and only with a warrant' backdoor. There is either private or not private.
- charcircuit 5y ago
  The problem with TSA keys is that they are all the same, can easily be cloned, and couldn't be rotated. It is possible to design a system where judges have their own hardware keys. Hardware keys can not be cloned assuming strong tamper protection. If a hardware key gets stolen it can be revoked as being valid and a judge can be issued a new one. DRM is different because the client ultimately has to have the keys to decrypt the content they have been permitted access to.
  - baash05 5y ago
    Shot in the dark here? Which Government are you talking about? Saudi? Where being gay is a death sentence? No? How about the US where being Japanese was illegal? China's got the most people, perhaps we take a wold wide vote to see? Biggest land mass? Millionaires per population (the 1%)? Who would control the creation of the keys? I mean which tech vender would control access to my android phones encryption? My phone was made in China, and the chips inside it were made in China. They also have the most people, so it seems fair they control the keys.