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The Find My network can be opted out of in the settings [1]. And if I remember correctly, it asks you to opt in (but I might be remembering wrong) I have somew

The Find My network can be opted out of in the settings [1]. And if I remember correctly, it asks you to opt in (but I might be remembering wrong) I have somewhat the opposite opinion though that there are way too many settings in iOS now and it does get difficult to dive through all the menus. Best thing I can recommend is to use the search in the settings. [1] https://www.howtogeek.com/725664/how-to-opt-out-of-apples-find-my-network-on-iphone-ipad-and-mac/ https://www.howtogeek.com/725664/how-to-opt-out-of-apples-fi...

QuikAccount 5y ago
Seems kind of ridiculous that in order to opt out of Apple's airtag network you essentially have to give up the ability to find your phone if it gets lost.
- _g5q8 5y ago
  They use the same system
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    They didn't use to, though. And you can't get that old functionality back while disabling the new.
    - Retric 5y ago
      Yes you can, they have different toggles. There are currently two independent systems for finding your phone that work in different but complementary fashions. Well arguably 3 systems, an iPhone can also be set to report it’s location when the battery is low.
- TooKool4This 5y ago
  No this will just turn off the ability to find your phone by using other people's phone. You will still have the phone report its location and be able to locate it in "Find My" but lose features such as being able to find the phone if its out of battery/turned off/not in cell reception range. Image of the current settings and explanation: https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2 https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2
- mostdataisnice 5y ago
  It's not ridiculous at all - you don't get to reap the benefits of the network without participating.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    Find My iPhone primarily uses the phone to self-report its position when requested over the Internet. This new "Find My" network (what a stupid name, btw) also allows to use other devices to report positions of nearby devices for those that don't have a data connection (AirTags or iPhones that were powered off). The problem seems to be that a single toggle controls both features, while the first feature doesn't rely the community network and should remain available even if you opted out.
    - TooKool4This 5y ago
      Thats actually how it is set up. Current settings screen: https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2 https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2
    - tshaddox 5y ago
      As others are mentioning, I see two toggles, and the second toggle is "Find My network" which is the one that works by other people's iPhones detecting your iPhone even when it's offline, in power reserve mode, or powered off.
- chasil 5y ago
  As I understand it, Airtags are low-power Bluetooth devices with no GPS capability. If your Bluetooth transceiver is disabled, your iOS device will not see nor report the locations of any Airtags that are otherwise in range. If you do enable Bluetooth on an iOS device, any Airtags detected will be reported to Apple over any available data connection, and this cannot be disabled in iOS as far as I know. Disabling Bluetooth will likely save any device's battery. This is separate from GPS and mobile data.
  - tshaddox 5y ago
    > If you do enable Bluetooth on an iOS device, any Airtags detected will be reported to Apple over any available data connection, and this cannot be disabled in iOS as far as I know. That certainly seems to contradict Apple's own documentation on the Find My network. At least according to my interpretation, it seems very clear that disabling the "Find My network" toggle will disable your device's participation in the network.
    - FireBeyond 5y ago
      I don't think it's clear. It's clear that it will disable the ability for _your device_ to be a _findable target_ device in the network. It doesn't particularly imply that your device isn't still acting as a 'base' for other devices in the network.
      - tshaddox 5y ago
        It seems pretty clear to me that the setting is symmetrical, and disabling it prevents your device from being discovered by other devices and from sending messages about other devices it discovers: > Find My can use the Find My network to help find devices even if they are not connected to the internet and, for supported devices, even if they are turned off or erased. Devices in the Find My network use Bluetooth wireless technology to detect missing devices or compatible items nearby, including AirTags and compatible third-party products registered to your Apple ID, and report their approximate location back to the owner. If a device is turned off or erased, that location is also visible to members of the owner’s Family Sharing group with whom they have chosen to share the location. The interaction is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple cannot see the location of any offline device or reporting device. When your device participates in the Find My network, it can both be located by the network and anonymously help locate other missing devices. You can choose to have your iOS or iPadOS device not participate in the Find My network by going to Settings > [your name] > Find My > Find My [device] and tapping to disable Find My network.
- thebigman433 5y ago
  This is not how it works. There are two different toggles, one for the Find My system, and one for just having your iPhone report its last condition. If you dont care about being able to find your phone/devices when theyre off, then you can simply opt out of the Find My network and rely on the basic position reporting.
blevin 5y ago
Screen Time > Content & Privacy Restrictions > Content Restrictions is an example of a nested settings labyrinth that is somewhat hard to navigate for parents just trying to keep their kids from seeing bad stuff, esp. as it interacts with individual app behaviors. Ex: set TV restrictions to 9+ and the Netflix app entirely vanishes, instead of just filtering its content. Scalable trustworthy content filtering delegation for families seems unsolved.
- BudaDude 5y ago
  I’m not sure if this an Apple or Netflix issue . Is there an api that Netflix could use to determine if content restriction is enabled ?
  - dalbin 5y ago
    > Read the media rating on a device and determine what media to display on your app. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/managedsettings/readingmedia https://developer.apple.com/documentation/managedsettings/re...
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  On the apps, yes a ton of wildly popular services will vanish below 13yo. I understand the calculation on the companies side, and there’s also a widespread “children shouldn’t be using/doing/viewing anything mildly risky” kind of mentality spreading around that makes it a no-risk move to just ban kids from a platform. I recently wanted to move a youtube account inside the family management umbrella, and setting it’s age at 11 meant the account couldn’t see nor write comments on any video anymore. And there’s no authorization the parent can give to lift the restriction. Of course to move the age back you need an official ID as proof, so it was a one way move…
  - jachee 5y ago
    Isn’t that because of COPPA, which makes it illegal to retain any personally identifying information about or from people under age 13?

QuikAccount 5y ago

Seems kind of ridiculous that in order to opt out of Apple's airtag network you essentially have to give up the ability to find your phone if it gets lost.

_g5q8 5y ago
They use the same system
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  They didn't use to, though. And you can't get that old functionality back while disabling the new.
  - Retric 5y ago
    Yes you can, they have different toggles. There are currently two independent systems for finding your phone that work in different but complementary fashions. Well arguably 3 systems, an iPhone can also be set to report it’s location when the battery is low.
TooKool4This 5y ago
No this will just turn off the ability to find your phone by using other people's phone. You will still have the phone report its location and be able to locate it in "Find My" but lose features such as being able to find the phone if its out of battery/turned off/not in cell reception range. Image of the current settings and explanation: https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2 https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2
mostdataisnice 5y ago
It's not ridiculous at all - you don't get to reap the benefits of the network without participating.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  Find My iPhone primarily uses the phone to self-report its position when requested over the Internet. This new "Find My" network (what a stupid name, btw) also allows to use other devices to report positions of nearby devices for those that don't have a data connection (AirTags or iPhones that were powered off). The problem seems to be that a single toggle controls both features, while the first feature doesn't rely the community network and should remain available even if you opted out.
  - TooKool4This 5y ago
    Thats actually how it is set up. Current settings screen: https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2 https://imgur.com/a/TepOqb2
  - tshaddox 5y ago
    As others are mentioning, I see two toggles, and the second toggle is "Find My network" which is the one that works by other people's iPhones detecting your iPhone even when it's offline, in power reserve mode, or powered off.
chasil 5y ago
As I understand it, Airtags are low-power Bluetooth devices with no GPS capability. If your Bluetooth transceiver is disabled, your iOS device will not see nor report the locations of any Airtags that are otherwise in range. If you do enable Bluetooth on an iOS device, any Airtags detected will be reported to Apple over any available data connection, and this cannot be disabled in iOS as far as I know. Disabling Bluetooth will likely save any device's battery. This is separate from GPS and mobile data.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  > If you do enable Bluetooth on an iOS device, any Airtags detected will be reported to Apple over any available data connection, and this cannot be disabled in iOS as far as I know. That certainly seems to contradict Apple's own documentation on the Find My network. At least according to my interpretation, it seems very clear that disabling the "Find My network" toggle will disable your device's participation in the network.
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    I don't think it's clear. It's clear that it will disable the ability for _your device_ to be a _findable target_ device in the network. It doesn't particularly imply that your device isn't still acting as a 'base' for other devices in the network.
    - tshaddox 5y ago
      It seems pretty clear to me that the setting is symmetrical, and disabling it prevents your device from being discovered by other devices and from sending messages about other devices it discovers: > Find My can use the Find My network to help find devices even if they are not connected to the internet and, for supported devices, even if they are turned off or erased. Devices in the Find My network use Bluetooth wireless technology to detect missing devices or compatible items nearby, including AirTags and compatible third-party products registered to your Apple ID, and report their approximate location back to the owner. If a device is turned off or erased, that location is also visible to members of the owner’s Family Sharing group with whom they have chosen to share the location. The interaction is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple cannot see the location of any offline device or reporting device. When your device participates in the Find My network, it can both be located by the network and anonymously help locate other missing devices. You can choose to have your iOS or iPadOS device not participate in the Find My network by going to Settings > [your name] > Find My > Find My [device] and tapping to disable Find My network.
thebigman433 5y ago
This is not how it works. There are two different toggles, one for the Find My system, and one for just having your iPhone report its last condition. If you dont care about being able to find your phone/devices when theyre off, then you can simply opt out of the Find My network and rely on the basic position reporting.

blevin 5y ago

Screen Time > Content & Privacy Restrictions > Content Restrictions is an example of a nested settings labyrinth that is somewhat hard to navigate for parents just trying to keep their kids from seeing bad stuff, esp. as it interacts with individual app behaviors. Ex: set TV restrictions to 9+ and the Netflix app entirely vanishes, instead of just filtering its content. Scalable trustworthy content filtering delegation for families seems unsolved.

BudaDude 5y ago
I’m not sure if this an Apple or Netflix issue . Is there an api that Netflix could use to determine if content restriction is enabled ?
- dalbin 5y ago
  > Read the media rating on a device and determine what media to display on your app. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/managedsettings/readingmedia https://developer.apple.com/documentation/managedsettings/re...
makeitdouble 5y ago
On the apps, yes a ton of wildly popular services will vanish below 13yo. I understand the calculation on the companies side, and there’s also a widespread “children shouldn’t be using/doing/viewing anything mildly risky” kind of mentality spreading around that makes it a no-risk move to just ban kids from a platform. I recently wanted to move a youtube account inside the family management umbrella, and setting it’s age at 11 meant the account couldn’t see nor write comments on any video anymore. And there’s no authorization the parent can give to lift the restriction. Of course to move the age back you need an official ID as proof, so it was a one way move…
- jachee 5y ago
  Isn’t that because of COPPA, which makes it illegal to retain any personally identifying information about or from people under age 13?